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Schneier on SecurityA blog covering security and security technology. « Laptop Seizures in Sudan | Main | Doublespeak and the War on Terrorism » September 13, 2006Burglars Foil Alarm SystemsTheir scheme: Cut a closed store's phone lines. Hang back while cops respond to the alarm. After officers fail to spot anything wrong and drive away, break into the store and spend as much time as they need to make off with a weekend's worth of cash. And one I wrote about in Beyond Fear (page 56): Attackers commonly force active failures specifically to cause a larger system to fail. Burglars cut an alarm wire at a warehouse and then retreat a safe distance. The police arrive and find nothing, decide that it's an active failure, and tell the warehouse owner to deal with it in the morning. Then, after the police leave, the burglars reappear and steal everything. Posted on September 13, 2006 at 11:10 AM • 80 Comments To receive these entries once a month by e-mail, sign up for the Crypto-Gram Newsletter. Israel Torres • September 13, 2006 11:38 AM Shouldn't the system eventually adapt to foil the foilers? (Of course re-adapting to foil the foiling of the foilers in the first place...) Israel Torres RFC • September 13, 2006 11:43 AM Shame on you, Bruce, for giving them this idea! Didn't you know that best security is to conceal security features from would-be attackers?! Mike Schiraldi • September 13, 2006 11:49 AM How does the alarm work? The phone lines get cut, and then what -- how do the police get notified? Is it just an audible alarm and/or flashing lights that a passing cruiser or pedistrian reports? Or does some electronic system detect that the phone line has been cut and notify the police automatically? sidelobe • September 13, 2006 11:51 AM One solution: cellular phone or WiFi-based alarm communication. Of course, that can be jammed. We're just too used to technology failures and not very good at identifying critical systems. How many burglar alarm monitoring services provide for a backup person or system in the event of a primary system failure? What would they have to charge for that? rich • September 13, 2006 11:57 AM That was the plot of the 1964 movie Topkapi. They used a boomerang to set off the laser detectors in a museum which was across the street from the palace. Eventually, after multiple alarms the regent had enough of being awoken so the alarm was turned off. The buglers then went to work. Graham • September 13, 2006 11:59 AM This trick also appears in Ross Anderson's "Security Engineering", as "How to Steal a Painting (7)", chapter 10, page 215 in my edition - this predates "Beyond Fear" by some years. Bruce wrote the foreword for Ross' book, so maybe he got the idea from there ;-) Tanuki • September 13, 2006 12:21 PM I'm familiar with another version involving motion-detector-based alarms, a {cat|bird} and an {open|broken} window. Whatever, the alarm gets turned off then the crims return for uninterrupted plunder. nzruss • September 13, 2006 12:23 PM When I lived in the UK, there was a similar scheme. Letter boxes were in the front door in our neighbourhood, and burglers would put a bird through setting off the alarm. This would continue while the home owner either figured out how the birds were getting in (they couldnt) and get sick of the complaints and turn off their alarm. It was reported that it only took two or three attempts to get the homeowner to turn off the alarm when they went out, leaving the house ready for the pickings... caveman • September 13, 2006 12:28 PM Wireless systems still need power cords that can be cut. No need for fancy jamming. I suppose you could try adding battery and solar panels, but ultimately the device can just be smashed with a rock. I may be old fashioned, but I'd trust a system with wires a little more, because it seems to me like there's less to go wrong, and they're a bit more mature of a device. Ron Gage • September 13, 2006 12:48 PM For those of you who haven't figured it out, this works because the dedicated alarm line is kept permanently off-hook or in a continual call to the alarm monitor center. When the call gets dropped, the alarm center notifies the police to check things out. Electrically, this would be akin to a normally closed circuit. Cutting the wire opens the circuit and becomes the sense point. Wireless (at least Cellular) wouldn't work because of the costs involved for airtime. Plus I think you would have a hard time convincing anyone that wireless is reliable enough to trust to an alarm circuit. Anonymous • September 13, 2006 12:49 PM A similar method to steal a car with an alarm: start walking by in the middle of the night and give the car a hard enough bump to set off the alarm. After a few nights of this, the owner will get tired of the regular false alarms and leave the car out with the alarm turned off, ready to be stolen. Nobby Nuts • September 13, 2006 12:53 PM I've heard of that being done here in the UK on a larger scale by pouring something flammable into the roadside cable marshalling boxes and setting fire to them. After that the phones in an entire area would be out for quite some time while the box was rebuilt. Nobby Nuts • September 13, 2006 12:56 PM @Mike Schiraldi "How does the alarm work? The phone lines get cut, and then what -- how do the police get notified?" Here in the UK the Redcare system that's used for alarm signalling on the phone line monitors the state of the line too and alarms at the monitoring station if the line breaks. I'd guess similar systems are used elsewhere. Luke • September 13, 2006 1:09 PM Bruce... A very old trick. I was a law enforcement officer in the mid eighties and there was a criminal ring that came to my town and used this exact technique. It is a social engineering trick, mainly. These guys (in the ring) got so bold as to do it to big named stores (won't mention any). They would repeatedly make the alarms go off (sometimes several times a night) for weeks, until law enforcement ignored it, and the store managers turned them off. In the end, I know of one big named stored who had a rental van full of high $$ items walked out of the store at 3 am in the morning. Mithrandir • September 13, 2006 2:11 PM @Ron Wireless would make a great backup system. You don't need to keep the line live all the time, just use it to signal the alarm when the sensors trigger, and the phone line is down. You could probably do it with a pre-paid plan, so you didn't have to pay for regular service. Still could be jammed, but if you have the resources to cut arbitrary wires and jam radio, you can defeat any remote monitoring system on earth. On-site security is the only real remaining option. Clive Robinson • September 13, 2006 2:14 PM This is just one of the reasons I argue that man is preferable to machines when it comes to security decisions although from the story the Police failed on this occasion (I suspect though the store owner/key holder would have been called so it was more likley their failing). Attackers quickly find out the weeknesses of security systems and out evolve them (think CCTV systems that work initially then the Hoodies come in to carry on as before). I know of one set of PC Memory&CPU thieves back in the last century who used to randomly trigger alarm systems over a considerable period of time. The Police the alarm company technicians and eventually the target organisation came to the conclusion that the alarm system had an unknown fault. The night the thieves found that the alarm nolonger went off was the night the started carefully planning to rob the place. The thieves where caught due to pure fluke a Police officer concluded that there was an insider involved, and noticed that a cleaning company appeared often in the victims list of contract staff. Apparently one of the employees of the cleaning company had previous and was investigated. Although they where not involved just by chance they knew one of the theives in the gang and apparently gave them up under questioning. Joe Buck • September 13, 2006 2:21 PM To Anonymous: Everyone already ignores car alarms because of their huge false-positive rate. When I hear a car alarm go off at night I curse the owner for having a car alarm, I'm not particularly concerned about auto theft, because 99.9 times out of 100 it's an alarm malfunction. avery • September 13, 2006 2:50 PM I want to see the interpretive dance explaining this scheme set to Prokofiev's Peter and the Wolf. Anonymous • September 13, 2006 2:50 PM Active failures: the bridge between burglary and Paradise Lost: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?... derf • September 13, 2006 2:58 PM Security through obscurity actually works here. If your home doesn't look like it should be in Beverly Hills, and you don't drive a Ferarri, your home should do fine with a simple alarm. Just as malware writers prey primarily on Windows, criminals will go find the bigger targets with more obvious $$. Gary in DC • September 13, 2006 3:05 PM @Clive Robinson Then again, humans can make big mistakes; cf the Isabella Stewart Gardner museum theft from 1990. Here, fake cops convinced the guards to open up the door. In college, I worked overnight "guarding" a museum - the traveling exhibition sponsors insisted upon a human presence 24/7 - but I could neither go anywhere (the usual practice was alarms only) nor do anything even if something happened. Just got to sit there in a kind of weird environment from 7 to 7. Got paid well, at least, for playing my part in security theater. And watching the clubgoers make out on the loading dock (they didn't expect anyone to be there, I guess). Then again, I wasn't trained, so who knows what I would have done if someone knocked (actually, my only instruction was: open the door for no one). Which raises the broader point: creative malicious agents can typically take advantage of predictable defenses, or predictable responses to stimuli. The good news is that making responses creative/unpredictable only has to raise uncertainty to a level that malicious folks have too high a level of uncertainty to take the chance. Here, one would hope that a good security company, rather than throwing up its hands "don't know why this is happening," would at least leave behind a low-budget backup security system after investigating a malfunction. That way the bad guys can't just walk in, and if the backup isn't predictable, they don't even know what to expect if they do. miles • September 13, 2006 3:21 PM Yet another variation (from short lived TV show Heist). Trip the alarm several times in one night to really give the good guys reason to beleive malfunction. Keep tripping until they no longer respond. wkwillis • September 13, 2006 3:55 PM You can contract with a security company for a security guard to stay on site till they fix the alarm. I've done store construction sites frequently where the alarm system wasn't functioning because they were rewiring. arctanck • September 13, 2006 4:09 PM Old trick, not at all jazzy, but one that works. If a robber is not choosy, with a bit of patient, he can probably live on doing this kind of crime. So how do we fend off persistent robbers? I can see that even if nobody is poor, when basic needs for everyday living are taken care of, theft or robbery will still exist, but surely tackling poverty is the best way forward, to reducing crime? Kevin Davidson • September 13, 2006 4:12 PM It would seem to me that if you had an alarm system "failure", that would be the time to go on your highest level of alert until you were assured that it was 100% functional again. Aaron Luchko • September 13, 2006 4:30 PM I can think of one solution that would help against a large class of these attacks. If your alarm has been going off repeatedly (suggesting someone may be planning an attack of this kind) set the alarm to only activate after several minutes of being continually set off, ideally going off as a silent alarm. Not only do you have a better chance of catching them but once criminals become wise to this counter-measure many will stop with this class of attack. Johnson • September 13, 2006 5:10 PM @arctanck If you are saying only poor people are criminals, you are quite misguided. If you meant to say society should strive for equality, such that one person does not have more than another, Karl Marx had similar thoughts. derf • September 13, 2006 5:20 PM @Aaron Luchko Your solution reminds me of a network management system problem. How many alarms or how long has an alarm been sounding before alerting? Maybe there's a market to hook up openview to your security alarm. Ross • September 13, 2006 5:33 PM I wrote about this trick and some variants in my security engineering book: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/Papers/SE-10.pdf What struck me about this news item is that it's so downmarket. In the old days, this sort of trick tended to be used just by the highest grade of villain - the guys who robbed bank vaults and jewelry stores Ross phessler • September 13, 2006 6:33 PM @Kevin Davidson ironically, the exact opposite happens. the victim disables the security, then acts as if the security still exists. its a common mistake that people make. the evil overlord list has a perfect example of this: treat every monitoring failure as a full-scale attack. if you do that, you will fix and prevent monitoring failures. and the few that are triggered by attackers will be defended against. Cecil T • September 13, 2006 7:09 PM Some comments above mention wireless / cellular backup systems and ask if that would work or say it wouldn't. This technology does exist and it's not that expensive. At work we have an alarm system where the alarm provider installed a cellular backup (the cost is included in the alarm monitoring, we don't pay any cell phone bill). Also most (if not all) alarm systems also have battery backup. So somebody would have to both cut the phone line and jam the cell phone signal (continuously) to prevent communications. And there would be nothing to "smash" to disable the alarm system unless you've already penetrated the building physically (at least 2 sets of locked doors in many cases). Also note that the police aren't the only ones contacted - there is one or more company contacts that the alarm company calls. So somebody could physically stay at the premises until the problem is resolved. So as usual, nothing is going to be perfect, but I would think a cellular backup is a very useful layer in preventing this type of attack. Roger • September 13, 2006 7:27 PM @rich: So did the buglers manage to wake him up? 8^) Roger • September 13, 2006 7:46 PM The burglar alarm industry is interesting, because it illustrates the practical solutions arrived at by a mass-market, cost-pressured security industry that is constantly under assault by skilled opponents, and has been for more than a century now [1]. A lot of the attacks that amateurs come up with have actually been tried long ago, and there are already countermeasures in place. Re doing this to a "big named store": Re putting a cat/bird inside: In addition, more modern PIRs are capable of distinguishing between a human being and smaller animals such as a cat or dog. Not only does this reduce false alarms, but it means premises can be simultaneously protected by an alarm and a dog. Re wireless alarm circuits: Re attacking power lines, and physical destruction of alarms: Physical destruction is met with by a combination of three factors. Firstly, the alarm controller is within its own protected perimeter. Thus, it will already have raised an alert to the monitoring centre by the time the attacker reaches it. If that alert is immediately followed by the unit going dead, all the intruder has succeeded in doing is confirming that it is a real attack. However, destroying the controller might at least stop a local siren quickly, making it less likely that neighbours will respond. To defeat this, the siren does NOT stop when the controller goes dead, in fact the siren detects a dead controller as an alarm condition! Finally, the siren itself is usually self-powered, armoured, and mounted in an inaccessible location; thus destroying the siren--while not especially difficult--will likely take longer than just waiting for it to time out. Certainly any time the thieves spend attacking the siren would have been better spent stuffing their swags with loot and leggin' it. Ability to detect the phone line being cut is also a pretty standard feature. Re destroying phone access over a wide area to facilitate burglary:
Roger • September 13, 2006 8:30 PM @Aaron Luchko, derf: Exactly this sort of analysis already occurs with monitored alarms. It is fairly easy to tell the difference between a faulty sensor and a burglar when you can watch the trail of signal pulses as he moves from room to room! Thus, monitoring systems do largely defeat DoS attacks, or at least make them far more difficult. If there is any doubt, a monitoring station also has the ability to simply phone the premises; this can easily distinguish between a burglar and a legitmate custodian who forgot to disarm the alarm. High end systems sometimes supplement that with CCTV (obviously not so popular for domestic alarm systems!) However, that is why the current version of the attack involves cutting the phone lines. If there is no wireless backup, the monitoring station gets exactly one bit of information from a cut line, which makes it impossible to do a sophisticated analysis. I think that phone line + monitoring + wireless backup almost completely defeats this sort of attack. So long as either of the comms channels is open, you can do a sophisticated analysis of the signals and thus distinguish between false alarms, harrasment alarms, and real attacks. On the other hand the odds of both signal paths accidentally failing simultaneously is so low that it can safely be assumed to be an attack. @Professor Anderson: Might it not simply be that more and more small businesses are getting monitored alarms? After all, the actual skills to mount the attack are not particularly sophisticated (these burglars apparently tried to identify the correct wires to cut, but it would be simpler and surer to just put a hatchet through the whole bundle). In fact alarms are so common nowdays that to be a burglar you are either going to be restricted to low income dwellings, or else you will need some kind of attack on alarms (even if it be simple smash-and-grab). Meanwhile, armed robbery is just as simple as it ever was so the law of unintended consequences says more people will get shot. billswift • September 13, 2006 9:15 PM Steve Perry used this idea in his first novel, "The Man Who Never Missed" in the 80s. His character did it during a thunderstorm, so the alarm going off repeatedly was attributed to electrical interference. Ilya • September 13, 2006 9:27 PM "Cut a closed store's phone lines" That is why the wireless things were invented quite a long time ago. arctanck • September 14, 2006 4:05 AM @johnson: Yup, in essense reducing the gap between the rich and the poor is what I meant. Thought about mentioning Marxism, but I'm a bit cautious. Raising everybody to a level where basic needs (maybe absolute minimum, so that people still have reason to work hard) are no longer an issue then it should help reduce crimes stemmed from desperate people. You are absolutely right that crimes are not all caused by poor people. constellation • September 14, 2006 6:59 AM Taken from An incident in Ireland known as the Beit robbery is an example. Then in 1986, a far larger robbery, at least in terms of value, was staged by Irish gangster Martin Cahill. Mr. Cahill was a brutal but “colorful��? character (according to several writers) who’s since been portrayed in three movies. He and accomplices cracked open a window at Russborough to set off the alarm. The gang hid in the bushes and watched the police arrive, take a look around and then leave, assuming they’d responded to a false alarm. With the coast clear, the thieves pounced. Cahill and friends made off with 18 paintings valued at more than $30 million. Kees Huyser • September 14, 2006 9:26 AM On october 10th 2006 a gang managed to sabotage a network station of KPN (a dutch telecom provider). This resulted in the failure of telephone, data and alarm systems of about 100 companies in the Trade Port West Industrial Area in Blerick (Venlo, the Netherlands). The burglars then made off with hundreds of thousands euro's worth of goods from the DHL depot in the IA. TomInOhio • September 14, 2006 3:04 PM About cutting the power line... that will trigger a notification to the monitoring center, and when the owner notices the power was cut, perhaps intentionally, it may cause more alarm than other techniques on here. John R Campbell • September 14, 2006 6:14 PM Wasn't the "active failure" trick used in "The Monster" ("Il Mostro") done by Roberto Benigni in the grocery stores??? Craig Ingram • September 14, 2006 6:38 PM I sent this along to my Dad, who works in the (physical) security industry and he said this is pretty common and exactly why they've been selling radio backup systems for years! Tank • September 15, 2006 5:49 AM A variant of that in this 1998 film... Break in, duct-tape the motion sensors and leave. Little Buffalo • September 15, 2006 6:14 AM The first time I heard of something like this was when I was a kid and saw the 1966 movie How to Steal a Million. For those that don't know Audrey Hepburn hires a man she thinks is a burgler to steal a statue from a museum that her grandfather had forged. The burgler comes up with the idea of using a boomerang like toy to constantly set off the electronic eye security system until the guards in the museum turn it off. Funny movie.....Probably be banned now for giving ideas to terrorist...... Jason • September 15, 2006 8:25 AM How do the cops identify keyholders? Cliff • September 15, 2006 4:59 PM @Jason @All I've worked Loss Prevention in a big box store, so I know most of the in-store physical security and anti-theft measures (and the ways around them). But one of the things that's securely designed is the alarm system. jenysfm ming • September 24, 2006 11:01 PM Dear Sirs: Guangzhou Tianjian Co.,Ltd Officer • October 7, 2006 9:38 PM Hi all I’ll screw things up even more. First, some really good comments particularly Roger who hit the nail on the head. I’ll comment on the refusal to attend as a result of repeated alarm activation first. Responders usually have a fixed number of times that they will attend a premises in an armed cycle before refusing to go again. Problem one. In a large number of cases the monitoring station has not been provided the zone information by the alarm installer. Zone 5 rear door reed The alarm monitoring station only decodes “activation office��? and has an instruction to ignore it. This lack of information also leads to other problems that are exploited by smart burglars. Problem two. Shoving animals into a building. Problem three. A lack of detectors. Example one. The office is protected by a single 360 passive infra red detector (detects motion). Example two. The office is protected by a single 360 passive infra red detector (detects motion) “cross zoned��? with the PIR in the hallway to the warehouse. Example three. Same as two but motion detector is cross zoned with another different type of detector in the area i.e. glass break detector. Access control systems. If you are relying on an access control system to protect your premises make sure you are very well insured and have a plan in place to continue your business after arriving at work and discovering you have a totally empty building. Also ensure that you do not have any confidential information on site as persons working for your competitors will gain entry and copy it and you won’t know. Buy an intrusion detection system. Continued Officer • October 7, 2006 10:57 PM Line cut burglaries First. These are at present relatively rare but tend to involve significant loss. Available defenses. Fixed line – this is a permanent landline connection to the alarm monitoring station. Radio transmitter Cellular systems SMS transmitters. Reliable and cheap. Widely used in Europe. Cellular communicators. Capable of transmitting all alarm signals using a cellular voice connection. Internet protocol monitoring. This is the security industry “new��? fix to the line cut problem. Ok that’s the technology, now the practice. Burglars do not cut a phone line and then enter the premises. They cut the phone line and then depart leaving a colleague nearby to watch for a responder. If a response does occur, they know that the premises has a wireless transmitter and should they subsequently enter the premises (after the responder has departed) a burglary event will be transmitted to the alarm monitoring station and responders will again attend. Note. I have ignored fixed lines as the expensive of them means that only certain types of premises use them. The burglars know what has fixed lines and that due to the extreme risk factor a line fail will result in security or Police remaining on site until it is fixed. The future (which has already arrived). IP monitoring screws everything up. Yes, a responder will attend. No, the burglars will not go elsewhere. The burglars have not established whether the alarm system is capable of communicating a subsequent burglary event to the alarm monitoring station. As IP monitoring replaces conventional landline based monitoring over the next decade (big sales push coming to an area near you soon) the SOP of line cut burglaries will change and IP monitoring will be no more effective at preventing line cut burglaries than current landline based monitoring. Note: Despite the claims of fixing the line cut problem it is very interesting that companies rolling out IP monitoring equipment are simultaneously introducing new SMS transmitters. But there is even worse news. The security industry is finally crawling into the 21st century with the introduction of automated dispatching systems. The introduction of automated dispatch systems that can differentiate between alarm events likely to be a burglary and those likely to be false alarms (following a (usually) security patrol supervisor sitting the client down after the second, third, forth burglary, and explaining why ringing them first at 3am is really not a good idea) is completely eliminating these delays. Companies using these systems can regularly have patrol cars at the client premises in less than three minutes of the alarm event occurring. The problem. Those companies that are now using automated dispatching have experienced a jump in the number of line cut burglaries. Line cuts are going to become the norm and worse luck people are only going to realize after spending $500 to upgrade their alarm system to IP monitoring that IP doesn’t solve the problem. dennis • December 28, 2006 1:38 PM in some jurisdictions in the US, particularly NJ, the shop owner gets charged for anything over 2 false alarms by the local police for their response gracie • February 6, 2007 2:30 AM A cop after me breaks every security code I have on my alarm Brinks and breaks in just to move stuff and harrass how is he doing this? kamikazealarmtech • February 7, 2007 12:38 AM Reading this thread has been very amusing. The other parts include a good alarm company dedicated to customer service and who is available at 3am and helps the responder bypass the suspect zone whilst leaving the rest of the system enabled. ip communications are actually extremely fast!! (under 100miliseconds) before step through the door the alarm has tranmitted around the world, but ip is susceptible to a data attack and isp shutdowns (which by the way can maintain connectivity via cable, telcom, wireless providers, cellular data or satellite uplink) secret shopper • February 27, 2007 2:21 PM the phone line cut is the prefered choice Sniper • March 4, 2007 11:46 AM Just stumbled across your site and very interesting it is to! Well done Bruce. Maybe the rules and regs are different here in the UK but it's a fact that police will not act on any alarm that is unconfirmed. ie. there needs to be dual and separate signalling back to the alarm receiving centre (ARC) confirming the original alarm. Nowadays the security industry pretty much demands that the second path is radio and this is normally polled regularly by the ARC to make sure it's in constant contact. If it can't be contacted then this is investigated immediately. Depending upon the alarm manufacturer's design, this second path can be via SMS, GPRS or dedicated data networks such as Vodafone's X25 Packet Radio Service (Paknet). There are theoretical concerns with some of these technologies (eg. SMS should never (ever) be used for mission critical applications as there is no guarantee of delivery. Likewise, GPRS can potentially suffer in times of heavy voice traffic), but as the police will now only respond to an ARC's request (after all, they maintain and monitor the system), the original foiling problem of cutting the line has all but disappeared. With broadband in virtually every location IP is making an appearance within the security industry but mainly for remote monitoring of the unit, not for a secure path. Applications via 3G are still being developed but will surely make an appearance in the near future. Hope this makes some sense, and thanks again for an interesting site - where's my Sunday afternoon gone to?! dave • April 12, 2007 9:49 PM fuck the alarm kick the doors off or smash the window grab you desirables and leave long before the police arrive Dick in PR • May 6, 2007 2:22 PM When a tow truck parks for the weekend and its own alarm malfunctions for three days and nights waiting to be turned off, what can local security do besides try to locate the owner? Or is the hood latch locked inside? The "trick" of cutting the phone line and waiting for the cops to arrive is almost irrelevent today. From the 1930's through the 1990's alarm companies leased dedicated phone lines from the local phone company, which transmitted a continuous voltage , or an audio tone from the alarm location to the alarm company's central station. When the line was cut by a burglar, the interruption of the tone or voltage would cause an alarm at the central station. With this old system, cutting the line, and coming back later might have worked, because it usually took the phone company 24 hours to repair the line. Today, it is even easier to beat some alarm systems, because a large number of the mass marketed "free" alarm systems use a telephone dialer to dial the alarm messages to the central station. If the phone line is cut, the alarm will not dial anywhere. There are more secure systems available, such as those sold by Guardcom and others, that use a cellular radio to signal the central staiton. The cellular method of alarm transmission has been around for years, but the cost of cellular systems has dropped dramatically in the past few months, and now there is no reason not to use a cellular alarm system. aanonymyss • September 17, 2007 12:27 AM i heard somthning that people are frying alarm systems even with cell backs by running a certain amount of amps through the telephone wires?? it sounds crazy but now a days anything is possible?? John • November 12, 2007 11:05 PM I think using the combination of a traditional alarm and video surveillance would reveal someone tampering or false alarms. rifleman • March 9, 2008 12:58 PM Just getting into this. In our rural locale in the US the number of meth-addled wackos busting into homes when the folks go off to work (esaaily determined after just a day or so of observation) is growing in frequency all around us. The rural nature of our surrounds actually encourages the situation as the next-nearest farm home is perhaps 0.5km away. These "MH"s (meth-deads) are also potentially dangerous as their moral compass is off its gimballs, and they might just as likely smack you or your wife, who came home unexpectedly for lunch, upside her head with that jimmying crowbar they brought along. Frankly we don't even bother to lock the doors; it will just cause more damage to be paid for later. Well, the cut phone line eliminates that idea. I have an inexpensive Radio shack system that utilizes various wireless sensors, and wondered also about installing one of the latest IR illuminated "game cameras" that Cabela's sporting goods sells, to silently photo the "perp". The cell-phone based call up is a great idea but frankly to pay the monthly fee for the possibility of an attack intervention, say, once in 5 - 10 years, isn't cost-effective. Doesn't anyone use the US (and Euro?) FRS radio system (these little handheld Motorola-type handies) to call someone somewhere? Or can the cell phone companies offer a per-call charge when/if the system is activated? Even if it were say $25/call it would be worth it, especially if the call goes out only if the various cross- checked inputs are received (motion plus trip plus???). As an afterthought, seems that just a big old noisy high dB (150+?) siren in an inaccessible position and that doesn't go off until, say 3-5 min after the break-in, for maximum disruption, would work well? Questions questions. Who has simple answers? Ariel • April 16, 2008 2:48 PM Defense in depth is a must. Just an alarm system doesn't cut it. Windows and doors must be hardened. A good dog is handy. Etc. etc. Smash and grab type perps will be dissuaded. The real pros cannot easily be stopped. That's what insurance is for. ardy • June 19, 2008 4:43 AM if a burglar cuts the phone line before the business owner activates the alarm, wouldnt the monitoring station detect the problem? joyful:-) • October 14, 2009 10:36 AM Grt site, but line snipping is older than I,anyone educated on Jmn.signals on bckups? Please tell!!! jomi • December 2, 2009 6:34 AM There are easy steps to follow in order to insure that the triggerd alarm reach the intended destination (monitored phoneline, backup cellular line, monitored ip and radio link, ups powerd system and the list goes on). There are ways to stop even pros ATM • December 19, 2009 6:33 AM I probably set the record for the most ATM machines ever taken, I also am close to the most safes taken or cracked. I have read some of the very interesting points made and will comment on several and let you see how I see it from the other side. Security is a falseness that prevents crime. A building has a valuable item that is the target. The building has an alarm a bump in the road. The valuable is in a safe. Two lines of security but what I have is no one expects me to be there. Playing field is even and I have time. Bypass alarm with phone wires yes its outdated although I have had fake wires and I have had monitored wires. Silent alarms and Siren alarms both are the same just takes longer to put some hedge clipers behind the horn box or rip it down in the building although no one outside ever hears these. The mercury switch is never set off on the outside horns with clippers or spray foam. Cellular yes a scrambler takes those out so it is worthless. Seen a few ham radio communicators but also bypassable. Cable internet line easy and can be taken out. Satelite is also easy. Wheather plays a big role also and how it affects the communicators. Now the safe you can freeze or burn or even pry. I made a highly sensitive mic hooked it to a laptop and ran the sound through a spectrum analyser once works good on combo locks. Turns sound into graphical mesurment. I have most of the blueprints to the alarms as well as specs and alarm companys prefs. I also have about all atm specs.
The only true way to be affective is to have a satelite perimitter from space or some thing of this nature. Pricy but effective whether permitting that is.
ATM Theif • December 19, 2009 6:39 AM Also with cars the mircrowave sensors can be taken out with aluminum foil and cardboard placed on the windows. I also made a hack that runs through the freqs to open any garage door and disarm any car alarm. Security is a false sense of security for a man with a mind. Just think of the stuff I haven't said that will keep you really thinking. its a shame you dont live in my country! i could do with a fella who knows the stuff! couldve made some good money! common • April 8, 2010 4:29 PM atm: id really like to hear more. it seems like your on a compleatly other level. ive been searching on line 4 info n nuthing i dont know.i consider my self to have avarage intelligence. but im the muscle behind the muscle. id like to hear more. David • August 5, 2012 12:49 AM OK, I'll bite... All these abstractly written fawning comments (@asheville computer just above being the most recent)... Is this some kind of steganography? perhaps Bruce's blog is being used as a covert channel! Wael • August 5, 2012 12:52 AM @ David All these abstractly written fawning comments... Probably Bots... Anthony • April 2, 2013 8:00 PM what about the "mesh radio" to send signals to an arc it cannot be blocked in anyway if 1 path is blocked it finds another route it cannot be blocked or jammed at all its unbeatable by an intruder i have installed quiet a few for customers never any problems as it works of 230v and a battery back up able to support a radio up to 2 weeks independently.. the mesh is a back up to a hardwired phone line or gsm digi dialler its a sure fired way of ensuring all alarm signals are received and responded to another alternative is a remote cctv system where u can view images of intruder before he cuts the line because cameras can be set to motion detection once motion is detected a text/email can be sent to phone/laptop so intruders beware a shop/house owner can be alerted before an arc or police can be notified and be waiting for u to set off the false alarm signal around the corner with a nice round bat ready to plant it in your face you have been warned flockaman • April 23, 2013 1:50 PM Ok now can someone tell me how to cut off a commercial alarm ? If its possible. flockaman • April 23, 2013 1:55 PM Caint I just cut the wires to the main. Box with bolt cutters then take the back up battery out of the metal box& cut the phone line. Along with my cell. Scrambler.? flockaman • April 23, 2013 1:58 PM Bruce. Or ATM Dude give me some insight,seems like you guys KNO best flockaman • April 23, 2013 2:36 PM Caint they just cut the wires that go to the main metal box then take out the backup battery.
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