otherwise November 2, 2016 12:14 PM

Suomea on aika vaikea ymmärtää.

Same old same old. Too similar to our model in the U.S. where you can get your four-year degree in “whatever” and a master’s degree, (even an MBA,) with a “concentration” in cybersecurity.




curious November 2, 2016 12:15 PM

It started over a week ago, is it still practicable to join and catch up or is it a lost cause? Anyone here taking it currently?

John Macdonald November 2, 2016 1:30 PM

@justnow – Why would you expect that? Is University of California the only university in the state of California? University of Toronto, and University of Waterloo are not the only universities in the two cities they are named after. Why would you expect that a regionally named university would be exclusive at a larger scale?

master's student November 2, 2016 2:41 PM

To be correct it’s the University of Helsinki (capital city). Though the capital is a large portion of Finland in all but nature.

Even though I currently study in the CS department here in Helsinki, I hadn’t even heard of this MOOC until now. Although to be fair, this course series is operated under the open university where courses usually cost money for the student (this mooc is totally free).

@curious, the first deadline is 13th, I think it’s feasible to catch up if you want to.

qwertty November 2, 2016 5:24 PM

Currently taking the course, it should be pretty feasible to catch up, first week was just reading, and then answering some questions about the text, shouldn’t take more than 3 hours if you aren’t overly zealous.

Peter S. Shenkin November 2, 2016 7:11 PM

What do you think of a course on security that requires the use of Flash to view the presentations?

Markus Ottela November 2, 2016 9:24 PM

@master’s student

“I hadn’t even heard of this MOOC until now”

The word doesn’t really travel at the uni but it’s been on the dept’s front page since September.

@Peter S. Shenkin, all

This course is a shotgun approach to recruiting people into entry level positions at F-Secure. It’s as much about FOSS security as F-Secure’s products are. But as long as you can replace the “cyber” in your head with “infosec”, it makes a ton of interesting reading. The shotgun approach might still be useful. It might hire people into positions other than reverse engineering of malware or source code security audits:

F-Secure could really use a more diverse set of consultants — especially people with FOSS background. Consultants who can, will, and know to recommend Tor over Freedome when it matches client’s threat model and especially when their lives are at stake. Since the 2013 revelations, this hasn’t happened, not at the ‘Citizenfour’ discussion panel, not at ‘The Good American’ expert interview, and not even at the Crypto Party representatives of F-Secure took part. This is really weird considering F-Secure has been one of the most verbose advocates on threats nation states pose — even the course material of first week skims the topic.

@qwertty, @curious, @master’s student

I hope we’ll share a pint soon.

Sami Lappeteläinen November 3, 2016 3:51 AM


I’m representative of F-Secure regarding the Cyber Security Base with F-Secure MOOC. The project has been hugely interesting and motivating, and it’s very exciting to see so much discussion around it. Coming across this discussion I feel like tossing in couple comments.

As said the course series started October 25th, but it’s still possible to hop in. You have until November 13th to start to be able to run the whole series. You can also join after that, but only remaining parts naturally. All in all the course series is divided into six different size chunks, starting from somewhat easier things but then also taking a deep dive.


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