""Before the attack" is not a well-defined event in your analogy."
What part do you have trouble with?
I'll give you a pass on "the".
"Knowledge that a box has been compromised is not analogous to a plane hitting the World Trade Center; it's analogous to finding out some individual is a member of a terrorist cell."
Only in your mind. And since you've already lost, you'd rather argue by analogy. I'm not going to fall for that.
The box was cracked. The attack had succeeded. And you've even postulated that MULTIPLE attacks have succeeded and that MULTIPLE boxes are cracked.
And then you lapse into your bad "movie plot threat" scenario.
But let's see what else I can get out of you ...
"As to your undying faith in the skill of sysadmins, I'm not in a position to talk about specific things I've witnessed handling incidents."
Awesome. You've gone from bad "movie plot threats" to "I have secret knowledge that proves I'm right but I can't tell you because it's a secret".
Yeah. And your "secret" encryption algorithm "proves" you're right but it cannot ever be released. How many times have we heard that.
Can you do better?
"What I'm trying to do is to get you to think beyond the autonomic response, and toward developing an understanding of a compromise before you walk in and start making things worse for someone."
Awww. Now you're back to your bad "movie plot threat" again.
I've already addressed that. You can make up any scenario you want to. You've already brought up "logic bombs" in case the machine is disconnected from the Internet. Yet you always insist that the cracker will NOT do anything that would invalidate your position. That is "movie plot threat" in a nutshell.
"You'll probably be okay because you sound like a reasonably intelligent, if needlessly snide, person, and I suspect your extreme position is more posturing than how you'd actually behave when faced with a real compromise."
It's not "snide", it's "cynical".
I think you're a troll. And I'm having fun mocking the troll.
Yes, my "extreme position" of ... disconnecting the box as soon as you find out that it was cracked.
Let me guess. Now you'll try to contort a scenario where ...
A. Every box in a life-or-death situation is cracked.
B. A single box is cracked in a life-or-death situaiton ... and that single box is a single point of failure.
Yeah, the designers of those systems must have attended the same schools that the admins did. You know, the ones you claim would not suspect anything odd about 10 machines suddenly wiping themselves.
"But it's too bad you're not willing to engage in a reasonable discussion about it."
It's the word "reasonable" as used by you (my dear troll) that is the problem.
You want to argue by analogy.
You want to claim that the admins are too dumb to suspect 10 boxes wiping themselves would be ... odd.
You do not want a "reasonable discussion". You want to troll this forum.
You want to "discuss" Hollywood Coincidences and Movie Plot Threats as if they were real.