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Schneier on SecurityA blog covering security and security technology. « Over $3M in Prizes to Hack Google Chrome | Main | Inauguration Security » February 7, 2013Tide Becomes Drug CurrencyBasically, Tide detergent is a popular product with a very small profit margin. So small non-chain grocery and convenience stores are happy to buy it cheaply, no questions asked. This makes it easy to sell if you steal it. And drug dealers have started taking it as currency, large bottles being worth about $5. EDITED TO ADD (2/13): Snopes rates this as "undetermined." Posted on February 7, 2013 at 12:51 PM • 30 Comments To receive these entries once a month by e-mail, sign up for the Crypto-Gram Newsletter. Alan • February 7, 2013 1:18 PM I'm surprised someone hasn't started counterfeiting bottles of Tide, i.e., sticking Tide labels on bottles filled with a generic detergent. Or maybe they have, we just haven't heard about it yet. Kirk • February 7, 2013 1:20 PM “They are smart. They are creative. They want high reward and low risk,” Alan • February 7, 2013 1:22 PM P.S., or maybe the price point of black market Tide is about the same as a generic detergent, so there is no incentive to counterfeit it, or alternatively, black market Tide already mostly counterfeit and its price is pegged to the price of generic detergent plus a small premium? Otto • February 7, 2013 2:01 PM I've seen this reported on and off over the years (here's one from last year: http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2012/03/... ), but I have yet to see any hard evidence. As a currency, tide seems a lot harder to use than simple untracable cash. Martin • February 7, 2013 2:12 PM Big drug deals are now conducted with Malaccamax tankers... Just watch the tankers and you get a giant drug bust ;-). .1 grams of crack (10$) are two bottles of Tide. 1/4 gram of meth being 5-6 bottles. Don't know if Google gave me the correct street prices, but at the researched prices this doesn't seem feasible to me. Spaceman Spiff • February 7, 2013 2:21 PM So, I have to wonder how long it will be that possession of more than 2 bottles of Tide will be construed as an intent to purchase drugs, and made illegal? :-( jimrandomh • February 7, 2013 2:26 PM This news story reads like a press release, and it probably is one. I mean, it talks about how people are shoplifting laundry detergent, but it's a terrible shoplifting target: too big to conceal, heavy, and not worth very much. And then half the article is about how awesome Tide is and Tide's history. This is clearly the work of a PR firm. Nick P • February 7, 2013 2:33 PM Large and small retailers in the Mid-South have known about this problem for a while. My years of work experience in that field taught me plenty about thieves and their preferences, which haven't changed. There are certain items that are easy to sell on the street and quite profitable. Here's some categories: 1. Baby formula (May be hidden in other products or pockets. One time I heard about a guy shoving raw chicken in his pockets.) 4. Beer/alcohol products They are also known for tag switching, esp markdowns and PLU's. An example of the latter is getting organic produce, but removing the tag. Cashier will assume it's non-organic. Such moves have the added benefit of being deniable. Michael Brady • February 7, 2013 2:44 PM Too bad the meth addicts aren't paying with toothpaste and acne medicine; they might divert some for their own use. Gord Wait • February 7, 2013 2:45 PM A coworker once told me that bricks of Mozzarella cheese had become the low end currency for drug deals in Vancouver. NobodySpecial • February 7, 2013 3:02 PM @Gord - while in Montreal drugs have become the low end currency for the cheese smugglers Clive Robinson • February 7, 2013 3:06 PM It's funny how domestic cleaning products can be used in other ways... For those living in the UK you may depending on how old you are know of a washing (laundry) powder brand called 'OMO' Well it used to be sold a lot in the Army stores near "married quaters" where it had another purpose as I found out. When the "men folk" were off getting low down on the dirt on exercise for a week or three then their "women folk" could get a bit lonely... If you happen to be one of those who were not out on excercise for various reasons and also had occassion to walk through the married quaters you might see a box of OMO visible in a window. It basicaly ment that someone was in need of some company... as OMO could also stand for "Old Man Out" telling any prospective suitors the coast was clear... MingoV • February 7, 2013 4:50 PM This sounds like an urban myth. I believe the stories about shoplifting detergent -- many people will steal anything they can. But, the stories about using Tide to buy drugs make no sense. A dealer will swap a tiny bag of drugs for a box or bottle of Tide? A few of those transactions and the typical dealer will need a wheelchair to move to the next corner. You doubters! :) Costco: $30 for a 15lb box of Tide powder Unfortunately, a member of my family insists on Tide, but even if that weren't the case all the grocery shelf 'competitors' are the same high value, for ...soap. When I saw the price hike a couple of years ago, I thought they must be MAKING dope from the stuff, but no, it's just a Fear Uncertainty and Doubt thing, If some nefarious character ever comes to my door selling discount Tide, I will take him up on it so fast his head will spin. The prices are insane--it's just soap. Rob • February 7, 2013 5:10 PM BBC News - Chewing gum 'stolen as Romanian currency' Criminal gangs are stealing chewing gum to use as small change in Romania, a police officer says. Nick P • February 7, 2013 7:07 PM @ T "because I thought I was losing my mind when I saw that Tide and all it's competitors at the grocery were selling at Gold prices. The prices are ridiculous. They're not just soap, though. There's definitely performance differences among detergents that can justify paying more. See Consumer Reports detergents rating for the best breakdown. Also, specific detergents' chemicals can cause skin breakouts in some people. I'm one of them. So, I'm picky about detergent. That said, our entire household used the huge buckets of generic brand detergent for years with good effect. We used the higher quality stuff on expensive clothing or clothing with tougher stains. We didn't need to buy pricey stuff often. Saves tons of money. @ Alan "I'm surprised someone hasn't started counterfeiting bottles of Tide, i.e., sticking Tide labels on bottles filled with a generic detergent. Or maybe they have, we just haven't heard about it yet." Me too. I've seen this done for almost every other thing. Certain bars around here put generic brand liquor into premium brand bottles and Penn & Teller showed how many restaurants fake expensive dishes using cheap fish. Clever moms have been known to trick kids by putting generic cereal in name brand boxes. The amount of counterfeit jewelry and electronics is well known. I think the Chinese are in an ideal position to make a bunch of counterfeit detergent. Figureitout • February 7, 2013 9:47 PM "So, what you do for living?" @Nick P RE: Sensitive Skin: I think too many dryer sheets or too much soap irritates too; had some problems too. The drying process should be much less energy intensive... Any kids from the 90's here? Beanie babies were the rage (what a scam), and even though I had more of the worthless bags of beans than I needed (and a book predicting their future value to ^3-10 fold); I remember feeling let down by the fakers getting in on the hype my parents bought me. How hard would it have been to counterfeit the fur-patterns and stupid "Ty" tags that supposadly gave these bags of fur-covered plastic beans so much value? My family and many others got played so hard...my parents should have just said what they usually said of my requests, "No." :) anony • February 8, 2013 2:28 AM @Figureitout Less energy-intensive drying process in two steps: 1) Hang clothes to dry on a line or a clothing rack. 2) Wait patiently for a few hours to a few days depending on local temperatures and climate. Adam • February 8, 2013 2:44 AM You'd be surprised at the crap that people counterfeit. Trading standards in the UK discovered fake Tetley tea bags being sold. Tetley are a popular brand but the tea bags aren't exactly a gold blend quality to begin with. You can buy 80 of the original tea bags for a pound so why anyone bothered to produce fakes for such a low cost item is a mystery. So anyway if a grocery did become a commodity, you can guarantee someone somewhere will figure a way of counterfeiting it. Adam • February 8, 2013 2:46 AM As an aside, this is worth a read. It describes some of the weird things sold in gas stations and their mainly criminal uses. Figureitout • February 8, 2013 3:14 AM @anony GregW • February 8, 2013 3:44 AM Add to the list of odd currencies "tuna fish". I decided at one point that hey, when someone asks me for money, I'd ask them for what they want to spend it on, and go to a nearby store and buy it for them and give it to them. "Responsible giving", right? Sometimes this has resulted in a sense afterwards that I did the right thing, like when a young woman in an urban neighborhood asked me for money on the street, and when I asked what she needed, I ended up going with her and buying a (surprisingly-expensive-to-a-bachelor) $20 pack of diapers in a nearby store. She thanked me profusely afterwards and was so grateful afterwards that she offered certain sexual favors (I declined). Given her various reactions, I don't think it was a scam. On other occasions, the true use of the items desired were a little less clear. I admit to becoming somewhat suspicious when after being asked for money for food, I took a guy to the nearby corner grocery store. What he wanted to buy there was 2, 3, or 6 if I would buy them, cans of tuna fish (which were more expensive than I expected!) That was weird but I proceeded and got him his tuna fish. (To do good, I am willing to risk loss.) I wondered if there was really some sort of monetization angle going on here, either him returning the tuna fish to the store or selling it on the street (someone everywhere has a cat) or something but never quite figured it out. I actually ran into him again and he again wanted tuna fish, and on a third occasion he was unaware of his surroundings in a way that supported my growing suspicions he was a drug user. In any case, in hindsight I'd say they probably were street currency after all, fitting nicely in NickP's category 3 items ("expensive meats/deli items). lullz • February 8, 2013 8:36 AM Junkies where I live mainly steal cheese to sell to those cheap pizza by the slice places, they also steal metal anywhere they can including trying to rip off power and old phone lines to get copper. Old screen doors made of aluminum are easy to take off from the outside and are worth $200 in scrap apparently too. Herf Derpf • February 8, 2013 7:17 PM Perhaps this will help bring attention to a senseless tragedy going on every day in our ghettoes. Hundreds of young drug dealers are killed by drive-by bullets as they vainly attempt to seek shelter behind their stacks of collected Tide bottles. And that's why I'm urging you to contact your representatives and demand that Tide start incorporating kevlar into the plastic their bottles are made from. Surely we could all endure a tiny rise in costs to save the lives of young people who demonstrate daily that they already have precisely what it takes to be a corporate executive or politician one day. fish in a box • February 9, 2013 2:56 PM @GregW WSJ has an article ("Mackerel Economics in Prison Leads to Appreciation for Oily Fillets") http://online.wsj.com/article/... that claimed one of the favoured currencies among prisoners in US prisons was canned Mackerel. The reasons: it has established value ($1 each), is durable and easily stored, and has very little use value as everyone hated to eat it. It replaced cigarettes when they were banned. They have quotes from the import broker who reports that they have trouble selling it anywhere else in the USA, but prisons are huge customers. MW • February 10, 2013 12:55 AM @lullz Andrew • February 12, 2013 1:10 PM Wasn't this "Tide Crime Wave" story exposed as a hoax months ago? Baylink • February 12, 2013 2:55 PM I see that snopes has this: http://www.snopes.com/media/notnews/tide.asp but rates it undetermined. I also saw a lot of general press coverage in my googlesearch, but could not easily determine whether it's all tail-chasing.
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