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Schneier on SecurityA blog covering security and security technology. « Cryptocat | Main | Schneier in the News » August 14, 2012Measuring Cooperation and Defection using Shipwreck DataIn Liars and Outliers, I talk a lot about social norms and when people follow them. This research uses survival data from shipwrecks to measure it. The authors argue that shipwrecks can actually tell us a fair bit about human behavior, since everyone stuck on a sinking ship has to do a bit of cost-benefit analysis. People will weigh their options -- which will generally involve helping others at great risk to themselves -- amidst a backdrop of social norms and, at least in case of the Titanic, direct orders from authority figures. "This cost-benefit logic is fundamental in economic models of human behavior," the authors write, suggesting that a shipwreck could provide a real-world test of ideas derived from controlled experiments. Paper here (behind a paywall): Abstract: Since the sinking of the Titanic, there has been a widespread belief that the social norm of “women and children first” (WCF) give women a survival advantage over men in maritime disasters, and that captains and crew members give priority to passengers. We analyze a database of 18 maritime disasters spanning three centuries, covering the fate of over 15,000 individuals of more than 30 nationalities. Our results provide a unique picture of maritime disasters. Women have a distinct survival disadvantage compared with men. Captains and crew survive at a significantly higher rate than passengers. We also find that: the captain has the power to enforce normative behavior; there seems to be no association between duration of a disaster and the impact of social norms; women fare no better when they constitute a small share of the ship’s complement; the length of the voyage before the disaster appears to have no impact on women’s relative survival rate; the sex gap in survival rates has declined since World War I; and women have a larger disadvantage in British shipwrecks. Taken together, our findings show that human behavior in life-and-death situations is best captured by the expression "every man for himself." Posted on August 14, 2012 at 1:16 PM • 14 Comments To receive these entries once a month by e-mail, sign up for the Crypto-Gram Newsletter. martino • August 14, 2012 3:33 PM A little off-topic but... The whole "gentility" thing... That makes me wonder how a feminist (or equal-rights advocates or whatever you want to call 'em) would handle being told "Women and children first" these days? My curiosity here lies in whether equal rights means: i.e. one spot left on the rescue boat and there are two people left to rescue - one is a man, one a woman. Flip a coin or push/shove and winners survives or women and children first or...? It's a little bit of a double-standard to stand up for equal rights but to demand to receive preferential treatment or accommodation based on your sex (when it's convenient to do so). No? Yes? I dunno...? What do you think? Carolyn • August 14, 2012 4:55 PM martino: Votes for women, boats for men was the Edwardian feminist response to that argument. It was, indeed, an argument made against women's suffrage - men will naturally take care of women, so they don't need the vote, or rights to own their own property. Personally, I'd rather have a right to run my own life rather than a supposed right to rescue over a man that is more the exception than the rule. Jay from BKK • August 14, 2012 10:11 PM Did the authors control for the ridiculous costumes women were/are often expected to wear? Swimming to lifeboats or flotsam in skirts and petticoats vs. swimming in trousers has got to be worth a few percentage points. partdavid • August 14, 2012 10:22 PM martino: I suspect you're trolling; but since the study shows that chivalry in such a situation is a myth, there is no such "double standard." In other words, women neither demand nor receive preferential treatment, in this context, based on sex, so they are giving nothing up in demanding equal rights. bob • August 15, 2012 3:51 AM @martino Equal rights are not the same thing as good manners. Unskilled workers have the same rights as professionals, is this wrong? Should we treat them as Untouchables? Fried Ape • August 15, 2012 4:40 AM Perhaps what this shows is that survival in a shipwreck or other disaster can depend on physical strength and aggression. Successfully saving oneself may require selfish acts, such as climbing over other passengers to get the spaces or get to the exit. There may be some who, having reached a position of nearly saved (one foot in the lifeboat or stood on the plane wing outside the door) will pause to help others. There is probably also the conflict of saving oneself versus helping a spouse or children. Perhaps women are more cooperative so less likely to survive at the expense of others? Rich ground for theories about cooperation and selfishness and the perception of risk. Atk • August 15, 2012 4:52 AM Regarding crew survival rates: might that be because the crew are helping others to survive? I mean, the crew steer the lifeboats, as passengers are not expected to know how. So each lifeboat should have 1 crew... Did the research compare ratio of lifeboats to crew, crew per lifeboat, and same ratios to affecting survival of passengers? Ryan • August 15, 2012 4:58 AM Men are typically stronger. So 'Women First' may work to level the survival odds. karrde • August 15, 2012 11:25 AM Is the survival rate changed by the underlying ship/lifeboat technology? Three centuries of shipwrecks covers the age of Sail, the age of Steam, and (possibly) both the pre-Titanic and post-Titanic eras. If the study includes the Titanic, then the 3-century timespan covers times before and after the advent of wireless communications. Did any of these factors affect survival rates? Did the study cover shipwrecks on the high seas? What about shipwrecks on inland lakes? Would other factors affect survival ratios in those environments? Not that it's a bad study. But the study design may be ignoring other factors... Terry • August 15, 2012 2:50 PM Class is important and often ignored. Class is extends privilege and rights as was the case in this study. The so called "lower" class is more expendable as they do not hold wealth and influence. The point is interesting as I don't see it having changed to date. We still hold the wealthy in higher regard although they score no higher in morales or ethics than more "average" persons. That's one reason why social engineering works, if you appear to be wealthy or influencial, this powerful bias will often get you in the door... nate • August 15, 2012 4:21 PM What about fitness? If many of these events are historical, then I wouldn't be surprised at all if survival was heavily influenced by fitness for the passengers as well as the crew. Were women as fit as men a hundred years ago? Dirk Praet • August 15, 2012 7:31 PM I'm not particularly surprised by the "every man for himself" conclusions. In the end civilisation, altruism and chivalry are just a very thin layer that tends to peel off rapidly in live or death situations. It's one thing both heroes and terrorists have in common: they're very rare and in most cases also incredibly stupid. Martino • August 16, 2012 5:50 AM Time of year probably plays a big role in the effects of hypothermia and survival rates too (if it wasn't already mentioned). Shark infested waters might reduce survival chances (ok, kidding on that one, most likely a non-factor at all, just an over-hyped fear). But the point of the article is looking at cooperation and defection, not directly at the shipwreck stats and data for the sake of determining survivability of assengers I think. @partdavid: No, not trolling. I wanted to know if it is offensive to some people if I say/act 'ladies first', and by the looks of it...Chivalry is dead or dying in part because some don't want it (some do, like my wife for example and I gladly fulfill what I feel is my role). There are of course other reasons but this obviously sends mixed messages to some guys, that's all. Just look at the responses in the article Bruce posted about the sexual harassment at *Con. Wow! @bob So the translation of crew having higher survival rates could be the have's vs. The have nots in society? Or the 'in' group of people controlling things (I.e. Gov't bodies?)? @Terry, vasiliy pupkin • August 16, 2012 10:39 AM @ Dirk Praet:
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