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Schneier on SecurityA blog covering security and security technology. « Friday Squid Blogging: Cuttlefish Embryos Can See | Main | Ransomware » June 16, 2008Botnets as a BusinessThe Storm worm is being used to sell pharmaceuticals such as Viagra. Posted on June 16, 2008 at 7:46 AM • 13 Comments • View Blog Reactions To receive these entries once a month by e-mail, sign up for the Crypto-Gram Newsletter. Worse than that, often they are counterfeit too. :-( Posted by: Chris Samuel at June 16, 2008 8:03 AM Storm recently evolved from an "all-in-1" malicious platform, performing malware spreading, spam sending, and so on, to a malicious ASP services supplier. Posted by: Guillaume at June 16, 2008 8:22 AM Botnets have been used for spam since they started. If law enforcement really wanted to shut them down, following the money would work. Posted by: Seth at June 16, 2008 9:03 AM Who the HELL actually buys drugs advertised in spam?? I mean, seriously? How stupid do you have to be? Posted by: Albatross at June 16, 2008 9:41 AM Albatross, nothing exceptionally stupid here. I mean, lots and lots of people still believe in gods of all kinds, don't they? Posted by: D at June 16, 2008 9:45 AM @ D, "I mean, lots and lots of people still believe in gods of all kinds, don't they?" You should ask the Albatross about the "devils wife" 8) From the rime of the ancient mariner, And those her ribs through which the Sun Did peer, as through a grate ? !Her lips were red, her looks were free, Her locks were yellow as gold : Death and Life-in-Death have diced for The naked hulk alongside came, And the twain were casting dice ;
Posted by: Clive Robinson at June 16, 2008 10:57 AM "Who the HELL actually buys drugs advertised in spam?" The bigger and more important question is who actually buys drugs advertised, full stop? Or in other words, who thinks unsolicited advertising is a good idea? Believe it or not there are many marketing executives who are jealous of anyone who can move product using any means possible. They honestly can not give you a clear definition of spam because they see marketing as marketing no matter what the medium. I have sat in many meetings with marketing execs who say security is silly for thinking consumers hate unsolicited mail. "How do they know until they see" was sometimes the refrain. This is the often awkward and unstated role of an information security professional, to help define digital ethics and even to try and create the line between consent and fraud. The line is easier to hold, of course, if there is an independent governing body involved. Perhaps my most ironic memory of this was when a team I managed had to respond to a spam-originated incident on a marketing system, and yet that same day we could not convince them to change their outbound email messaging campaigns. All too often in incidents you will find people saying "don't point that finger over here, we meant no harm with our x". I guarantee there are marketing execs right now trying to figure out how to harness botnets for their "legitimate" advertising campaigns. I noticed the BBC was recently poking fun of drug marketing in America: http://davi.poetry.org/blog/?p=1564 "Americans do accept advertising in areas where it does not tend to appear elsewhere." Posted by: Davi Ottenheimer at June 16, 2008 11:50 AM Its all about marketing. Actually, its all about the line expensive marketeers push to companies to convince them that such techniques are necessary to make sales. Those same companies are going for cheap overseas labor and soon there will be NOBODY left with enough money to buy anything. What then? Posted by: kashmarek at June 16, 2008 8:39 PM Similar to a recent hack that we analyzed . The miscreants built the html front end of their viagra shopping cart in a hidden directory on the hacked server and use it to re-direct the users to their real viagra site. Why? Because the hacked site had a high page rank. SEO at its finest. Posted by: Mike at June 16, 2008 10:51 PM I don't believe anybody deals with spam any other way than deleting on sight. I can't understand why those who order spam believes that anybody at least reads it, leave alone buys something. Posted by: Sejanus at June 17, 2008 12:51 AM About the best use for spam I have seen is this site: Posted by: SimonRC at June 17, 2008 3:43 AM @Sejanus: "I can't understand why those who order spam believes that anybody at least reads it, leave alone buys something." Well, there *must* be some amount of return-on-investment, otherwise nobody would use spamvertising. Even if the "conversion rate" would be only 1:100.000, it probably would still be worthwile given the really low costs of spamming. There are also studies which showed that these penny-stock spams actually do have an effect on the (abused) company's share prices. Posted by: Paeniteo at June 18, 2008 2:17 AM Post a comment
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