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September 8, 2006

Police Lose Semtex

Oops.

It's only eight ounces of the stuff, but still....

Posted on September 8, 2006 at 10:07 AM18 CommentsView Blog Reactions

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This must be the nth time this has happened in recent memory, for some value of n far larger than it should be. It's not really as terrible as it sounds---it's not like people who want to do something destructive wait for the police to leave their explosives lying on the road---but it sure doesn't reflect well.

Couldn't they wrap a brick with a thin layer of explosives for this sort of test? It'd look (and smell) enough like the real thing, but it'd be no more powerful than a fire cracker.

Posted by: Evan Murphy at September 8, 2006 10:16 AM


Yeah, but just wait until the guy drives back into the airport with semtex stuck to his truck. "honest, officer, I didn't know I was driving explosives into an airport!" That'll go over really well.

Posted by: Joe Patterson at September 8, 2006 10:29 AM


Does anyone else find the irony in that the group doing the bomb-sniffing test and losing the explosive is the F Troop (known as Troop F in the article)?

Posted by: Tim at September 8, 2006 10:38 AM


My archive has this for previous cases:

http://www.alibi.com/editorial/section_display.php?di=2004-05-20&scn=news#8167

Though the site seems to be done at the time I'm writing this.

Shachar

Posted by: Shachar Shemesh at September 8, 2006 10:39 AM


@Tim:

I caught that, too. I'm sure they dispatched Car 54 immediately, so no worries!

Posted by: Andre LePlume at September 8, 2006 10:59 AM


@Evan Murphy:"Couldn't they wrap a brick with a thin layer of explosives for this sort of test? It'd look (and smell) enough like the real thing, but it'd be no more powerful than a fire cracker."

I know what you're suggesting here, but it's somewhat impractical. A fire-cracker sized lump of Semtex is far more powerful than the fire-cracker itself, and a fire-cracker powered lump of Semtex would be about the size of a small coin.

An IRA device assembled from a couple of ounces of Semtex inside a cigarette packet and dropped into a trash can was enough to kill a bystander outright, a few years ago in London.

Posted by: Anonymous at September 8, 2006 11:15 AM


Between 12 and 16 oz downed Pan Am 103 over Lockerbie.

Posted by: Timmy303 at September 8, 2006 11:29 AM


It seems to me that some basic safety training is in order. Simply handing the only set of keys to the person responsible for the explosive would have been standard "lockout" protocol. Many industries have a long history of establishing usable and effective safety / security procedures. Perhaps these police could benefit from knowing the techniques that electricians and pipefitters have been using for decades to keep themselves alive.

Posted by: sidelobe at September 8, 2006 11:48 AM


"only" eight ounces?

http://www.aviationpics.de/test/test.htm

(scroll to bottom)

Posted by: bru at September 8, 2006 12:12 PM


Why did they put the explosive on a vehicle that was not under their control?

Why do they think it is OK to put explosives in someone elses vehicle?

I remember reading here some time ago about police putting explosives into a random bag at an airport for an explosives detection test. The owner of the bag collected it and left, with the explosives still in it.

Posted by: grs1969 at September 8, 2006 2:40 PM


I'm not sure I see this issue:

If the issue is the incompetence of police departments (as a general fact), we already knew this.

If the issue is the fact that there are 2 more ounces of (bright red) semtex floating around in the world, well, thats a drop in the ocean. Nobody's going to wait for a police department to lose some so that they can commit their explosive crime.

If the issue is the safety of semtex, well, its only dangerous if you have a primer charge. I'd be more concerned about other unexploded ordinance thats been lost and is likely to explode when disturbed.


Posted by: Anonymous at September 8, 2006 6:29 PM


sorry, eight ounces. Same difference.

Posted by: Anonymous at September 8, 2006 6:31 PM


I see three questions that should be answered, but probably won't be.

1. Will this police department continue to be certified to purchase/possess high explosives? This is an incident that would have a commercial or private license yanked in a second.

2. Who thought it would be a good idea to use real Semtex? Synthetic odors are available for exactly this purpose: http://www.pseudoscents.com/index.asp?content=products

Even if the synthetic was not deemed authentic enough for training purposes, it is a simple matter to cut real Semtex, (or any high explosive) with a damping agent to drop it's propagation speed below the threshold that makes it a high explosive instead of a very expensive fuel.

3. How much more Semtex do these idiots have?

Posted by: neighborcat at September 8, 2006 7:09 PM


The local media is describing this as the disappearance of "material that could be used in a bomb". Seriously. One report said that it "could not be exploded without a detonator". I'm so relieved...

Posted by: blake at September 8, 2006 9:42 PM


"only eight ounces" ??

sounds like enough to upset a commercial flight to me, if used wisely - at the very least it would probably open the cockpit door ...

Posted by: Rob Mayfield at September 9, 2006 12:13 AM


Semtex must be initiated by a detonator, this much is true, but the police and media seem to think that making a detonator is nearly impossible, which it is not.

If I was, in GW Bush's parlance, an evil person, I wouldn't make a detonator for 8 ounces of Semtex, I would make several detonators WITH the Semtex, using it as a booster for ANFO. Thank goodness I'm not.

I agree it is unlikely that any harm will ever come from losing this particular lump of high explosives, so perhaps a better lesson to take from the incident is that authority does not automatically confer competence on the holder.

Posted by: Neighborcat at September 9, 2006 6:28 AM


@ bru, great find, and exactly what came to mind reading "its only 8 ounces, but.."

200 grams = 7.05479239 ounces

@ rob mayfield, see bru's movie link above

Posted by: fouro at September 10, 2006 2:12 AM


But there is plenty of semtex and equivalent explosives out there. Wasn't a shed at one of the national laboratories broken into a while back and tens of kilograms gone missing? This little bit doesn't raise the danger level out of the noise background. Not to mention that in some countries you can buy it, and its trivially easy to smuggle into the country.


Posted by: Anonymous at September 11, 2006 1:41 PM


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