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Schneier on SecurityA blog covering security and security technology. « New Directions in Chemical Warfare | Main | The Security of RFID Cards » June 10, 2006Cartoon: NSA Surveillance DevicesPosted on June 10, 2006 at 3:39 PM • 8 Comments To receive these entries once a month by e-mail, sign up for the Crypto-Gram Newsletter. aikimark • June 10, 2006 4:09 PM Rebranding at its best. Aren't we about 22 years too late for this kind of double speak?!? Dave • June 10, 2006 10:44 PM I was thinking about this Yesterday when I saw someone on a cell (mobile in .au) phone saying "I'm near the big sign" "no not that one" "at the front" etc etc. When GPS enabled phones become very common the feature will be sold to solve the problem of finding your friends. greg • June 11, 2006 5:08 AM The networks that don't need correct GPS locatoions to work (most current networks, and who cares as long as there is at least one such network). Then hacked phones can aways provide a false GPS location to the network and hence the NSA. You would be suprised how well this can work. Dom De Vitto • June 11, 2006 12:38 PM What are you lot on about? Dom De Vitto • June 11, 2006 12:45 PM A murdered guy's body in italy was found this way, his phone was in his pocket but the battery died a while after he was buried. It acted like a strange e-gravestone for the authorities. I guess the authorities had a circumference of places a particular distance from the mast to search, but given enough legwork, you'll find somewhere where a body could reside (broken ground, old buildings, "dumpsters" etc.) Of course this is all way beyond 1984 - they could only monitor your thoughts, not your location.... greg • June 12, 2006 11:00 AM @Dom De Vitto: assuming anyone cares this late in the conversation.... Yea I know. I worked on some of that software. Guess what, its not very accurate (sure it can be good on a good day....If the weather on your side etc...) and can also be fudged with a hacked phone. I signed a NDA so theres not much to tell. But i can say its easier to get a accurate fix if you are moving! Why do you think they want GPS whatits in the phones? Last i heard it was gunna get put into a law somewhere so that all phones can get traced accuratly. greg • June 12, 2006 11:01 AM @Dom De Vitto: assuming anyone cares this late in the conversation.... Yea I know. I worked on some of that software. Guess what, its not very accurate (sure it can be good on a good day....If the weather on your side etc...) and can also be fudged with a hacked phone. I signed a NDA so theres not much to tell. But i can say its easier to get a accurate fix if you are moving! Why do you think they want GPS whatits in the phones? Last i heard it was gunna get put into a law somewhere so that all phones can get traced accuratly. Filias Cupio • June 12, 2006 7:47 PM I expect it would be common for your signal to the tower to be attenuated sometimes (e.g. by a wall, or half a metre of dirt for a murder victim.) Therefore a single reading from each of three towers couldn't be very accurate. With more readings, you could do better, using the "redundant" information to reject the bad data. If you're moving, you'd expect most towers to get an unattenuated signal at least some of the time. This would make the job much easier.
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