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lurker May 1, 2025 2:02 PM

Wired says Palantir are providing some of the engine for this,

‘https://www.wired.com/story/doge-collecting-immigrant-data-surveil-track/

Clive Robinson May 1, 2025 3:26 PM

@ vaadu,

You say,

“DOGE’s mission is to root out fraud, waste and abuse. It can’t do that without looking at data.”

Well the “find fraud waste and abuse” is what we outside the US looking in call,

“A lame cover story at best.”

You further say it,

“can’t do that without looking at data”

Which again we outsiders looking in call,

“A great big pile of horse apples.”

Because “the data” they have gone after provably has nothing to do with “root[ing] out fraud, waste and abuse.”

The data they are going after and trying to keep hidden –unsuccessfully– from public knowledge is for,

“Political purposes and as favours to certain favoured few”

Such as big corporations that “render unto caesar” what Caeser covets”. Who by their illegal and unlawful acts have found themselves subject to court cases of such significance that those behind them could face significant legal sanction.

It’s also easy to see that the “Department of Government (in)Efficiency”(DOGiE) and it’s untrustworthy, untrained, irresponsible, and reckless “Muttlings”, are not there to cut waste and inefficient and national debt. No they are targeted/vectored on to those their leader Hell-On Rusk and his “master” have petty cognitive and business grievances with. Again what many outsiders would call,

“Throwing the toys out of the pram”

Or the only fractionally more mature and less excusable,

“Behaviour befitting Violet Elizabeth Bott.”

DOGiE, Hellon Rusk and his Muttlings are not going to “save America” they are only there for their own corrupt purposes and gains.

This can be seen most simply by the fact they insist on “no oversight” and administrative access privileges well above and beyond any legal requirement, that results in “special accounts” unexplainably trying to unlawfully image data through Russia etc…

The fact that some of the Muttlings have such questionable pasts they would not get even basic security clearance is a very big flag that is being ignored.

And in a way it makes a complete nonsense of the anti-DEI mantra, untill you realise that to Trump,

“We the People”

Has a very specific and very narrow and horrendously discriminatory meaning[1] to Trump the Puppet and those behind pulling strings.

The very worrying thing is that the Puppet Face of Trump is actually too stupid to have thought up most of this nonsense. It’s actually been carefully planned by others over the past four or more years by those “just your humble servant” types. Most of what Trump the Puppet allegedly signs in terms of Executive Orders he has never read let alone had any input into.

Funny thing to think about, look up “Doge” in the dictionary[2] as a word it tells much about the likely future in the US.

Even as an outsider to the US this greatly concerns me. But is not unexpected, because there is a saying that,

“The candle that burns twice as bright burns half as long.”

The US had resources aplenty yet chose to go through then ten to a hundred times as fast as anywhere else on the planet. The result is the US has become accustomed to a life style that can not be supported.

History with Spain and South American Gold shows us what happens, aside from the genetic imbicility of actual inbreeding, it encouraged a stupidity in the wider “self entitled” that led privileged lives untill they had spent the gold and wealth and had absolutely nothing to fall back on and nothing anybody wanted. We can see the same stupid pattern repeating in several South American states so it’s fairly clear that the US survival in the long term can only be by change of behaviour. However in the short term the “self entitled” will to keep the candle burning, form a predatory Empire that can only result in warfare fed by “cannon fodder” which are how the “self entitled” see those they do not consider a part of “We the People”…

But don’t take my word for it, study a little history, or just wait a short while for it to unfold.

[1] It would take too long to adequately describe the mentality behind the Trump, select GOP members, and similar self entitled thinking wrapped in faux-academic nonsense of the likes of the Heritage Foundation who “Pay Cash For Opinion” of a certain very unpleasant form. But you can read a fraction of it in,

https://www.aclu.org/trump-on-dei-and-anti-discrimination-law

[2] The “Doge” was the supposedly elected leader of certain independent states. In particular one that is in many ways the architectural prototype of what we now call a “Surveillance State”, the Renaissance City of Venice. It gave us all the basics of what Russia became as an Empire and their 20th Century leaders certainly willingly became and still practice today.

Buck May 1, 2025 3:41 PM

Are you people for real?

Musk aside, you can’t drive anywhere, walk anywhere, visit anywhere or do anything without some electronic, non-governmental digital record being created. And ALL of these are aggregated by data brokers.

Banks share your info with each other, unless you opt out. Even if you opt out, massive banking corporations can still share in-house. This includes credit card purchases, Amazon, etc. How many of you do social media? Search for stuff on Google? Turn on GPS/Bluetooth on your iPhones?

Guess what? None of that stuff is available to the government unless they have a valid reason. But the government gets around that by BUYING it from corporations. That is why you will never see the government doing anything about it.

Yes, Musk makes things worse. But privacy is already too far gone and to the point of no return. On this path to hell, non-rates like Schneier make millions writing about it or blowing hot air about it, while accomplishing nothing. For a fee, no less. At Harvard, no less. This guy is no academic. He is just conveniently a member of the tribe (lower-case intended).

Bardi May 1, 2025 3:50 PM

Clive,

Awesome and well said.

The energy and persistence of refusing to let the public see his taxes was my first red flag that donnie would go to great lengths to hide his past. It was no surprise to hear of DOGE. The fact that within fifteen minutes of establishing accounts in certain government offices, someone from eastern Europe was logging into those accounts with the correct information was not a surprise.

John White May 1, 2025 9:53 PM

@Bardi your pathetic cold war racial hatred for Russians is showing, American. Any reasonable person navigates the internet with a VPN or Tor, and to use a VPN node in a 5E s**thole country would be insane.

No, this is just Musk putting in the final touches on the infrastructure that has been created for the ‘masters of the universe’, as they described themselves at the recent JNS summit.
https://thegrayzone.com/2025/04/28/masters-universe-jews-us-senator-israel/

DH May 1, 2025 10:26 PM

USA desperately needs a comprehensive privacy law in the same spirit as EU GDPR that applies nation-wide, no exceptions, and with actual teeth and mandates and reasonably stiff penalties (that way companies can’t rake in $10 Million off selling private information with only a $100,000 slap on the wrist, for example).

I dream of the day all the hundreds (thousands?) of data brokers become obsolete because of this.

This would be an incremental improvement in the right direction towards reduction of the corporate surveillance state, which would also slightly affect the government surveillance state.

Peter May 1, 2025 11:10 PM

@Buck, came to say the same thing. We’ve been living in a surveillance state for decades now, Brin was wrong, Cypherpunks lost, etc. Bernstein, CALEA, and Gilmore cards would have went completely different today. It’s not even non-government, government surveillance is everywhere now to or the ability to just ask a business and get. Hell my state this legislative session just approved and funded statewide CCTV surveillance on every street corner for any city in the state over 100,000 people. But yeah, Trump lol.

NOT John White May 2, 2025 7:22 AM

@John White,

please if you could just “shrink” the Brush you are using to paint all Jews as “Masters” as I can assure you I know a few who are just like me, struggling just to pay the bills. It’s not okay because I ADMIT – I do the same with muslims due to most terrorists being of muslim background. I did not say “all” – I said “most.” Sometimes, we all get upset and we rush with conclusions but thankfully at least for me, there’s still a “little something” left in me that just knows deep down what’s wrong and what’s right. Take care.

not important May 2, 2025 7:54 PM

@Buck ‘privacy is already too far gone and to the point of no return.’

and continue moving same direction with acceleration

ResearcherZero May 2, 2025 10:51 PM

What is it like to live in a surveillance state under autocratic rule?

A Royal Thai Armed Forces/Royal Thai Police doxxing campaign targets Thai public.

‘https://citizenlab.ca/2025/04/how-thai-authorities-use-online-doxxing-to-suppress-dissent/

The actors maximize their impact through smear campaigns, intimidation, illegal assaults, and judicial harassment.

“autocrats have increasingly relied on communication technology to amplify propaganda against dissidents”

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/13510347.2025.2461478

Thailand admitted using Pegasus against its citizens while also admitting this is unlawful.
https://www.ilaw.or.th/articles/35057

NSO Group made a number of excuses and claimed Pegasus is not spyware.
https://digitalreach.asia/blog/summary-of-the-witness-hearing-in-the-case-against-nso-group-in-thailand/

ResearcherZero May 2, 2025 11:18 PM

The vast majority of Americans are concerned about the administration’s performance.

‘https://time.com/7271012/president-trump-dedgrade-national-security/

The Oval Office is proving grossly incompetent in the national security theater.
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2025/05/01/waltz-trump-national-security-weaknesses-00322064

The perverse incentives of a second term often produce bad outcomes for the public.
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/04/02/republicans-midterm-backlash-fears-030290

ResearcherZero May 2, 2025 11:43 PM

@Buck

You would prefer to divert attention away from the facts and instead towards the talking points of government propaganda. Why? Do you work at, or with members of the DOGE team, or have some other affiliation?

The articles appear at the New York Times, yet you have directed your attack at Bruce.

Why is this? Why are you using the same talking points as your government? Can you not think for yourself, or do you blindly accept what you are told, then apply it wildly and with little thought or consideration? Should the behavior of your government be scrutinized?

A free press, independent of government, is critical if citizens are to remain reliably informed with credible information. The institutions that ensure a free society are now under attack by a range of different actors utilizing autocratic methods of oppression.

‘https://theconversation.com/perfect-storm-of-tech-bros-foreign-interference-and-disinformation-is-an-urgent-threat-to-press-freedom-252986

Donald Trump is seeking to end public funding of America’s public media outlets.
https://www.cnn.com/2025/05/02/media/trump-cpb-pbs-npr-funding-cut-hnk-intl

Donald Trump is seeking to remove the tax exempt status of Harvard University.
https://time.com/7282282/trump-revoking-harvard-tax-exempt-status-what-that-means/

ResearcherZero May 3, 2025 12:00 AM

@John White

The Gray Zone was a far-left fringe media outlet that became a far-right fringe media outlet. It is pro Putin, pro Chinese Communist Party and pro Assad.

It promotes conspiracy theories, along with racist views and unscientific “theories”.

‘https://www.axios.com/2020/08/11/grayzone-max-blumenthal-china-xinjiang

Even many of its writers quit working for the publication. Why would you read that trash?
https://www.dailydot.com/debug/the-grayzone-max-blumenthal/

ResearcherZero May 3, 2025 3:30 AM

@lurker

Palantir, and Elon Musk’s Grok, along with a DOGE side project named AccelearteX.

Jordan Wick, a DOGE staffer, has been posting DOGE work to his public GitHub which contains classified information including geospatial data of international ports, undersea cables, and multiple nodes for mineral deposits, along with information about government workers.

Images of Wick’s uploads can be found here:

‘https://x.com/SollenbergerRC/status/1895609294810464390

Jordan Wick has since blocked his gists to the public, but the information that was available suggests they were developing tools and databases to search back through government employee histories and sort individuals by a range of categories. The kind of system you might develop to run a modern Surveillance State and turn against the public.

Given the lack of care and security during the process, these systems would also be perfect for any foreign government that was conducting espionage operations against the U.S.

https://www.fastcompany.com/91290599/this-doge-staffers-github-posts-might-help-us-understand-how-elon-musk-wants-to-bring-ai-into-the-government

Clive Robinson May 3, 2025 4:23 AM

@ John White,

You say,

“@Bardi your pathetic cold war racial hatred for Russians is showing, American.”

First off anyone can go back and read what @Bardi wrote,

“The fact that within fifteen minutes of establishing accounts in certain government offices, someone from eastern Europe was logging into those accounts with the correct information was not a surprise.”

It’s clearly comment on what was reported in the media and has been shown to be factual and not what you are spouting.

And yes spouting is probably the right word, because your invective does not really make sense, unless of course you are trying to “virtue signal” that in fact you are either Russian, work for, or sympathize with them (go back and read your words to see why that conclusion can be drawn).

You then go on to say,

“Any reasonable person navigates the internet with a VPN or Tor, and to use a VPN node in a 5E s**thole country would be insane.”

Indicates that your technical knowledge is not anything other than,

“Regurgitated fluff you’ve swallow ed”.

Now consider either the person attempting to log in “from eastern Europe” was “Working for DOGE with Trump Granted Security Clearance” or “they were acting illegally” (or even both).

You might think that the US is,

“a 5E s**thole country”

But as far as information security is concerned what you believe is Russian or as reported “Eastern European” networks are very probably rather more of a “security nightmare”. Also you appear to have failed to realise that by crossing a US jurisdictional boundary it would have automatically fallen under FISA and the NSA and 5 Eyes capabilities any way, raising red flags and alarms as it connected to a US Gov network address…

But then the “masters of the universe” nonsense really?

The failed “Former US Senator Norm Coleman” as reported said typical brain dead statements that apparently originate from funders of the GOP amongst others. They appear to be “sympathetic to Zionist” nonsense but that old fart Coleman is probably missing his old days and trying to get back in.

Perhaps I should point out that “Zionist” activities have for over a hundred years, have been, and in many cases still are, the activities of “terrorists”, in either the new or old meanings of the word. But importantly are not views held by many Israeli Citizens or those of the Jewish faith or hereditary around the world. Such conflation is part of a propaganda war and really should be avoided.

ResearcherZero May 3, 2025 5:47 AM

The reason for separation of corporate and state powers within a functioning democracy.

‘https://250bpm.substack.com/p/accountability-sinks

Citizens feel they lack influence over policy and are not represented in areas that matter.
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1057/s41304-024-00489-2

Misrepresentation and inequality increases voter alienation and indifference.
https://ejpr.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/1475-6765.12716

(If Russian and Chinese government authoritarianism are not enough, Nazi Germany, Imperialist Japan and the Stasi of Eastern Germany provide many cautionary lessons)

ResearcherZero May 3, 2025 6:34 AM

A surveillance state employs repression to silence its critics. To do this it uses the tools of surveillance to monitor and then exert pressure on the public using all the means at its disposal. Unreasonable detention, smears and intimidation, or acts of violence.

“It’s a toxic environment,” said one official with a top-secret clearance. “First, you’ve got the insecurity of not knowing whether you’re going to get fired or not. Then there’s the witch hunt to find the whistleblowers who are exposing the ineptitude and bad management of agencies. They’re trying to silence those who do not follow the party line.”

‘https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2025/04/28/leak-polygraph-fbi-justice-odni-dhs/

Sergey Kislyak was better positioned than many of America’s own advisors or allies.
https://www.politico.eu/article/russian-ambassador-sergey-kislyak-is-washingtons-most-dangerous-diplomat/

Trump revealed highly restricted classified information to Sergey Kislyak.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-revealed-highly-classified-information-to-russian-foreign-minister-and-ambassador/2017/05/15/530c172a-3960-11e7-9e48-c4f199710b69_story.html

Under Putin, Russia’s FSB largely follows the same methodology as the KGB.
https://www.interpretermag.com/kgb-training-manuals-revealed/

The Russian operation was designed to infiltrate conservative organizations.
https://www.npr.org/2018/01/21/579230705/the-russia-investigations-is-infiltration-the-new-collusion

Securiry Sam May 3, 2025 3:30 PM

It seems that futuristic visionaries, like George Orwell, lay the groundwork and
then all the eccentric geniuses fill in the details in order to realize their vision.

Dancing on thin ice May 3, 2025 9:21 PM

The blatent violations at a national level in the United States of basic security practices covered in this blog for years deserve more than a post or 2 a month.
Lack of transparancy by officials calls for trusted and knowledgable people to provide clarity in a non-political way.

As my local paper editirialized in 1973:

Almost everything that happens in government could be labeled political.
Government itself is political.
Deal with the basis on whether it is true or false rather than whether it is political or not.

ResearcherZero May 4, 2025 12:10 AM

@Securiry Sam

Don’t make the mistake of believing anyone involved are geniuses. It is simply the results of large quantities of investor capital. None of the work is genius or clever, it is all purely motivated by greed and selfishness – without any consideration of the consequences.

They have no concern about security, networks or data integrity, privacy and safety. Only with tooting their own trumpet and selling a pitch. Creating the illusion that they know what they are doing, then passing on responsibility for their mistakes to others, then blaming anyone but themselves for the results.

There has been no honesty involved. No careful consideration of the details or any self-reflection and acceptance when mistakes are made. They have charged on ahead blindly and stubbornly, ignoring all the warning signs, desperate to get what they want no matter the cost.

openness

Many small steps can lead up to a disaster. It is not achieved in a single leap. The real mark of genius is to consider those mistakes and then act on them. Knowing when to pull back from the brink, or recognizing dangerous precedent and changing course.

‘https://thebulletin.org/2024/03/not-just-oppenheimer/

Niels Bohr “worried more about the political consequences more than the scientific challenges.” Bohr was concerned with how the changes would effect all of society.

https://theconversation.com/open-science-to-fight-big-threats-like-the-nuclear-bomb-21591

ResearcherZero May 4, 2025 12:43 AM

Corporations are built on backs of the people who do the work. The ones who benefit are the corporate leadership and shareholders – who understand very little of the technology – only the profit margins. The gig economy exploits both the workforce and the consumer.

Eric Blair (Orwell) was a journalist who opposed totalitarianism. He wrote about things that he saw, for instance during the Spanish Civil War, authoritarian styles of politics, social structures and the consequences that undue influence has on society.

Blair did not like communism, fascism or any form of totalitarian government.
The works of Eric Blair however – have been used as propaganda for decades.

https://daily.jstor.org/turning-orwell-into-propaganda/

ResearcherZero May 4, 2025 3:00 AM

Genius should not be confused with celebrity, nor morality with market forces.

“We’re doing it! We’re doing it! And I’m sure you’re enjoying this as much as I am!”
– Alex Carp, Palantir CEO on X

‘https://www.ijpr.org/npr-news/2025-05-01/how-palantir-the-secretive-tech-company-is-rising-in-the-trump-era

Palantir’s has been hiring a far larger number government officials than anyone knew. It gains influence over contracting by rotating high-level executives in and out of government.

https://www.techtransparencyproject.org/articles/inside-palantirs-expanding-influence-operation

Palantir licenses its products to corporations around the world, gaining insights into the financial and health status of individuals and families via its ever expanding presence.
https://archive.is/UTrpQ

Ingesting vast amounts of data to sort populations using hundreds of ‘selectors’.
https://futurism.com/government-ice-palantir

ResearcherZero May 5, 2025 2:56 AM

Imitating the style of an American president has produced terrible results for politicians.

‘https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-05-05/trump-dutton-federal-election-albanese-toxic-liberal-politics/105249448

The market will give Trump the benefit of the doubt.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/saradorn/2025/04/03/trumps-tariff-formula-slammed-as-fake-and-incredibly-stupid-by-experts/

The claim “Donald Trump is an idiot” is subjective. It would require an empirical study.
https://www.newstatesman.com/encounter/2021/12/michael-wolff-trump-is-absolutely-stone-stupid-literally-crazy-he-really-knows-nothing-about-anything

Clive Robinson May 5, 2025 9:46 AM

@ ResearcherZero,

With regards,

“The claim “Donald Trump is an idiot” is subjective”

True, but it is based on “observation” that is the basis of the scientific method.

Thus to progress one would have to “test the hypothesis” in some manner. As direct testing on living –assumed– sentient organisms is oft seen as morally thus ethically wrong, other types of environmental response observation is required.

It’s known that the man has bankrupted himself the equivalent of nine times, which implies certain cognitive deficits certainly.

There are other indicators that add to a cognitive deficit to below the norm but get masked by other mental deficits (narcissism and “assumed slight” holding being another).

Then there is the child like behaviours in multiple forms that suggest there is a nonformed adult responsible response that used to be used as an indicator for what was once considered psychopathic behaviour.

The public espousing and notions of quack remedies including suggesting excessive alkalinization of the intestinal tract some years ago by imbibing high concentrations of Sodium hypochlorite suggests a lack of knowledge or confusion (saline solution which is used as a “gargle” is based on similar appearing sodium chloride).

Thus there is so much that is not normal ascribing idiocy is almost impossible to avoid.

Maybe he should be required to do the “clock face test” to check for the results of insults to the bain.

But there once was the “gold coin test” which is now depreciated along with the corresponding diagnosis of idiot, imbecile, etc.

There are other neurological tests that are similar involving electricity, hot, or pointed objects that are applied to the subject under test whilst observing the response.

Although these long predate NMRI and FMRI and are kin to test methods used in lie detectors, they are still popular diagnostic tools.

Though it’s known from the times of “Witch Finding” that there are places on the body that are not just insensitive but where objects can appear to be pushed so far into a person that an unaware observer would assume they had punctured the person. So on seeing the object pulled back and no sign of blood or wound might believe that it was magical in some way.

However it also needs be noted that to pass such tests assumes a functioning peripheral neurological system as well as central neurological system. Thus not passing them may also be caused by having a skin that some would say was indicative of a pachyderm.

I could go on at length but I think you get the point that resolving the question by what are called physical insults would need to be repeated in many places.

Security Sam May 10, 2025 2:38 PM

@ResearcherZero,

A genius basically knows everything about nothing, while an idiot knows nothing about everything.
The geniuses design the tools that are used by the idiots who rise to the occasion via the Peter Principle.

Clive Robinson May 11, 2025 5:08 AM

@ Security Sam, ResearcherZero,

With regards,

“… the idiots who rise to the occasion via the Peter Principle”

But the “Peter Principle” is about “a person rising to their maximum incompetence”…

As we have seen, some can rise way beyond “their maximum incompetence” as the past third of a year has shown…

So maybe we need a new category of what you might call the “Donald Principle” where many people who have reached the nadir of their individual cognitive slope agree to promote someone who is even further down the general slope than that.

I hear both Boeing and John Deere have decided to “slap the face” and export jobs to where there are no tariffs and skilled labour is 70% less expensive “South of the boarder…”

You have to wonder how long it will be before both Canada and Mexico have to build walls to keep out unwanted “american aliens”.

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