ICE Is a Domestic Surveillance Agency

Georgetown has a new report on the highly secretive bulk surveillance activities of ICE in the US:

When you think about government surveillance in the United States, you likely think of the National Security Agency or the FBI. You might even think of a powerful police agency, such as the New York Police Department. But unless you or someone you love has been targeted for deportation, you probably don’t immediately think of Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE).

This report argues that you should. Our two-year investigation, including hundreds of Freedom of Information Act requests and a comprehensive review of ICE’s contracting and procurement records, reveals that ICE now operates as a domestic surveillance agency. Since its founding in 2003, ICE has not only been building its own capacity to use surveillance to carry out deportations but has also played a key role in the federal government’s larger push to amass as much information as possible about all of our lives. By reaching into the digital records of state and local governments and buying databases with billions of data points from private companies, ICE has created a surveillance infrastructure that enables it to pull detailed dossiers on nearly anyone, seemingly at any time. In its efforts to arrest and deport, ICE has—without any judicial, legislative or public oversight—reached into datasets containing personal information about the vast majority of people living in the U.S., whose records can end up in the hands of immigration enforcement simply because they apply for driver’s licenses; drive on the roads; or sign up with their local utilities to get access to heat, water and electricity.

ICE has built its dragnet surveillance system by crossing legal and ethical lines, leveraging the trust that people place in state agencies and essential service providers, and exploiting the vulnerability of people who volunteer their information to reunite with their families. Despite the incredible scope and evident civil rights implications of ICE’s surveillance practices, the agency has managed to shroud those practices in near-total secrecy, evading enforcement of even the handful of laws and policies that could be invoked to impose limitations. Federal and state lawmakers, for the most part, have yet to confront this reality.

EDITED TO ADD (5/13): A news article.

Posted on May 11, 2022 at 9:24 AM25 Comments


John May 11, 2022 12:27 PM


Got bored. Decided to get live entertainment to make the job more interesting.

Are there any good linux laptop voip apps or even for DOS ?


Ted May 11, 2022 1:56 PM

Really impressive work from a 2 year investigation. I peeked and saw the report had over 400 references.

You know people are serious when they make hundreds of FOIA requests and review more than 100,000 ICE spending transactions.

From The Guardian:

Ice has amassed a formidable armory of digital capabilities that allows its agents to “pull detailed dossiers on nearly anyone, seemingly at any time”

I like the name of the report: “American Dragnet”

lurker May 11, 2022 3:34 PM

A couple of ways of looking at this:

So long as ICE does not have data on one quarter of all drivers, so long as ICE does not know the occupants of one quarter of homes, then their job is not done and we are not safe. (Corollary: they can never know all of them…)

Or, when impecunity and/or incompetence forces an agency to sell its database to a private operator, then the rest is history. It’s part of the best government that money can buy.

vas pup May 11, 2022 5:23 PM

Really? So, how many members of gangs were deported thanks to this activity?

Aaron May 11, 2022 6:04 PM

Because this is somehow more alarming then the exposure of other intelligence agencies illegally spying on US citizens?

These are the bad outcomes from the “good intentions” of the Patriot Act.
More lack of responsibility from the government because it’s a benefit, not detrimental; only to the tax paying citizen could it be detrimental.

Clive Robinson May 11, 2022 7:27 PM

@ Aaron, ALL,

With regards,

These are the bad outcomes from the “good intentions” of the Patriot Act.

Do not in any way make even a sarcastic refrence to “good” when it comes to the Patriot Act.

It was “Evil from cover to cover” as even most people outside the US have realised with some being killed because of it.

It is actually composed of two types of legislation,

1, “Fill your Boots” corruption.
2, Old and so very bad that nobody had dared put their name to it before.

In essence all the legislators used it as a way of doing Evil that even they knew they should not have been able to get away with, nor would have done at other times.

So any old pay back/off they had not been able to find a way to get past other legislators or oversight processes in the past. And likewise all those nasty bits of proposed legislation they had had sitting around waiting to go, but due to it’s base evil, there had been no opportunity found prior to the Patriot Act to “slip it in” because it was just so evil it was beyond toxic to touch.

All got wrapped up with a bow and passed without even being read let alone be examined because it was “The Patriotic thing to do”…

Trust me there is still more nasties hiding under rocks waiting to be poped out from the dark corners of the Patriot Act. Nasties so vile that they have only been seen by those for whom doing evil is just another way “to get the job done” every day… But that is OK as “might is right”. That is those who think there should be no impediment to even the most base and vile of their actions, but that they should be classified as beyond secret so neither you nor anyone else can tell without instantly being traitors to be removed from public sight forever and without judicial oversight.

lurker May 11, 2022 7:44 PM

repost 1
They say one picture can speak a thousand words. The picture in question is Fig.1 in the report, showing a steady increase in budget from ~$80M in 2008 to $380M in 2021 (exact figures are probably in the Appendices, I haven’t got there yet).

An obvious feature of Fig.1 is the increase in spend for geolocation accounts for most of that increase, from ~one quarter of budget in 2008 to ~three quarters in 2021. The text above the Figure explains this as being mainly for access to Licence Plate Cameras, presumably including links to Motor Vehicle databases. That can’t be hard, surely? Is ICE being hit with their R&D costs? Including the R&D for facial recognition from the same cameras?

lurker May 11, 2022 7:45 PM

repost 2
LPCs have been commonplace in China since at least the beginning of that budget period. What used to happen was when a desired number turned up manual ID was made of the front seat occupants. We’ve seen reports of the development of facial recognition in China, but of course ICE can’t buy Chinese, national security, mumble, mumble, …

lurker May 11, 2022 7:47 PM

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There’s another picture that the reader must draw from the supplied words. It is of people suffering from lack of access to Medicare. They will not apply because they are afraid of involvement with a Government agency. This fear was learned under regimes we used to think were more repressive than the US.

JonKnowsNothing May 11, 2022 11:30 PM

@lurker, @All

re: The arcane labyrinth of USA Social Care (some)

There are 2 major divisions in USA Social Care: (Social Security+Medicare) and (Supplemental Security Income aka SSI+Medicaid). The often cross the same pathways but are two different programs.

Social Security aka SS, derives from Taxes Payed via Employment over a Life Time of Work. If you put in enough hours and got enough brownie points, you get a Social Security Pension. This pension makes you eligible for government funded health care Medicare and Additional Private Insurance programs aka Senior Advantage (1) to cover the “copays” and which may have a few extras the Medicare program does include. These programs are not means tested.

The other program is Supplemental Security Income. This program is for people who do not qualify for the above program. Perhaps they were Stay-At-Home Spouses or perhaps they were unable to work enough hours, or they didn’t pay in the taxes needed to qualify (see Uber, Gig Economy, Contract Employment, Self Employment). If your retirement income is below a threshold, you may get Medicaid. A program similar to Medicare but with differing conditions and payment scales. These programs are “means tested”.

It is a complex web of who gets what and how much but generically:

  • Full Time Work gets SS + Medicare and pays extra for Senior Advantage.
  • People who do not qualify for SS, MAY get SSI and MAY get Medicaid.

For SSI benefit you have to have nearly or totally NOTHING. No assets, no stocks, no savings. People who are not retirement age, may get SSI or similar programs, but often times it comes with strings and locks.

The States administer SSI and Medicaid. The Feds administer SS and Medicare. This distinction is important because every state can determine what parts of the programs they will allow for their low income population. The option for a benefit may exist in the overall program but each state can say: Yea or Nay. And state do exactly that. Depending on the which way the tower is leaning, often indicates which way “Means Tested” program will work.

It’s called Centrelink in Australia and in UK The Department for Work and Pensions (DWP).

The application of these “means tested” programs is strictly coordinated to restrict and deny access to whatever the programs offer: housing, food support, medical access, etc. (2)

In the reference that lurker gives:

  “They will not apply because they are afraid of involvement with a Government agency”.

This is for the state programs which ask a lot of questions and require a lot of proofs of eligibility and require wheel barrows of documentation. All of this is shoveled up the pipeline to any and all LEAs that care to take a dump load.

Some LEAs like ICE, are known to hang out waiting to pounce on people leaving a court house after filing for residency, waiting outside of churches, waiting near hospitals. They track their targets through all the methods we know about and some we do not.

The USA also has our own version of “Compliantly Hostile Environment”. For this, ICE and others, pounce on US Citizens or US Residents and force deport them. US Citizens do not normally expect ICE to run a Jump Out Van to abduct them as they exit church.


1) Most of these programs are retirement based: Seniors and Elderly. The programs have been stretched to include other categories like disabled persons and they get the same benefit packages, even if they are “not a senior” they get the “senior deals”.

2) Disclosure: My forays to the Food Pantry are to those organizations that do not use Means Testing. Anyone can use their services and everyone is welcome. This week there were more noobs, like me, folks that had never had to ask for help before, and had ample funds to live modestly. I am more than grateful for the food, very much so.

lurker May 12, 2022 12:56 AM


Sorry to hear of your still straitened circumstances.

Thanks for the snapshot of US social/medical care/neglect. I had indulged a bad habit of mine by tersely paraphrasing from the report. The relevant sections are:

VI. ICE exploited the trust of unaccompanied children and their family members to target those family members for deportations
[. . .]
B. ICE surveillance causes clear and measurable chilling effects on people’s ability to access basic necessities.
Originating in First Amendment doctrine, the phrase “chilling effects” captures the idea that some law or government action deters people from engaging in activity protected by the Constitution, largely for fear of prosecution or due to uncertainty about the legal process.
[. . .]
1. Surveillance drives immigrants to avoid institutional systems, regardless of the purpose of those systems.
The sociologist Sarah Brayne introduced the concept of “system avoidance” to capture how concerns about law enforcement surveillance can dampen individuals’ willingness to participate in essential activities.
[. . .]

Which says to me that the US borders are much further from Liberty Is.[1] than they appear on a map.

[1] Liberty Island is in New York harbour. The statue of Liberty stands there. Inside the plinth is a bronze casting of a sonnet “The New Colossus” written by Emma Lazarus as part of a competition to raise funds for the plinth. The final six oft-quoted lines read:

“Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!” cries she
With silent lips. “Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

Clive Robinson May 12, 2022 2:45 AM

@ JonKnowsNothing,

Re : Anyone can use their services and everyone is welcome. This week there were more noobs, like me, folks that had never had to ask for help before

And so the poverty gap increases.

Something we have seen increasingly in the UK this century, and it’s about to get worse a lot worse. Mostly for “Political” reasons.

My “raw food + Grocery” bill is more than tripple what it was back before Covid lockdown. But intetestingly it’s gone up by more than 50% since the start of the Ukraine invasion on quite a few food stuffs.

If you buy “luxury brands”[1] you might not have noticed, other than they are about 10% up on Feb pricing this year, and they are are what the stores are putting increasingly on their shelves…

If you were a more sebsible shopper you will have seen around a 25% rise on the little that is left on the shelves of the stores own brand/label.

If however you are what is called a “barnacle” or “Bottom scraper” of which I’m one, who buys the special offers and basics for your pantry etc, you will have, found either the price has doubled on all but the very basics left and the removing of most other own lable and basics ranges. Which is a very nasty shock if as some people do you have to live off of them and most of your income goes on food and energy. But worse there is also no more multiple packs which were not just more economical they were easier to buy so from my point of view more convenient. Such as baked-beans when a single can was around 32p and a quad pack 110p, now there are only singles at 42p a can. A 32% increase on a single can but as no multiple cans a 53% rise on their previous pricing…

Worse is things like vegtable oil and 4% fat milk, if you are not in the store first thing in the morning they get sold out, and only expensive brands or stuff not fit to be fed to pigs as slop remain on the shelf. Yet high profit luxury dairy etc is spread out as “space fillers”. You realy can not make a cup of tea with Luxury Ionian Yogurt –made in Manchester– or that sugar water dragged through “a fettid dingos kidneys” they call “skimmed milk”[2].

The thing is we as consumers will see masive price hikes almost all of which will be “store profit”. But as the “supply chain” shortages clear, guess what will happen?

Well we know that the food producers will get hit hard, but also we the consumers will not see the prices drop again for years to come, if ever.

But also and most importantly the level of food poverty will go up significantly…

And that’s ignoring the other soaring price rises in energy, that again has been created mostly for “Political” reasons…

[1] A funny story about “apple sauce” but it applies to many other luxury items with eye wateringly high profit margins. The “any old tat can be lipsticked” moral/warning applies to luxury foods, especially when they are processed. Even adding a little artificial wood smoke –which is carcinogenic– can do the trick, and increasing the sugar content with what is a waste product called fructose which does not digest well another (look up “Bioconversion of beverage waste to high fructose syrup as a value-added product” and similar where the likes of “cleared from shelf” juices were the “feedstock”). In essence, luxury lables are often what you are buying. But it’s got worse recently. Due to crop shortages, what were once seen as “waste” that is “the ugly fruit” that had been making it onto store shelves as “basics” or as specific “ugly buggly” products are now going direct into luxury apple sauce brands… Which is a shame because not only do I like “ugly” fruit as it provides an extra dimension to both taste and texture, but I used to also use them for making my pectin and other stock for jam and preserve making including my own apple sauce and addative to sausages. So remember those luxury lable goods, might well be made of the dregs your local supermarket chain would not otherwise sell…

[2] A little history for those living in the UK, skimmed milk is and always has been a “waste product” after as much as the usefull or profitable parts of the milk had been removed. It was once used as part of “pig slop” but it was found to be causing the pigs internal organ damage… So the then UK Government owned “Milk Marketing Board” jumped on real early to the “Low Fat is Good” message band waggon. It’s not, fat is essential to healthy living sugar not at all. So reducing fat and replacing it with sugar which is effectively what the milk skimming process does, is just one of the reasons we have so many diabetics on needlessly expensive insulin and similar Type II drugs quite a few of which have been found to cause other significant or severe damage and death (ie Gliclazide and multi-organ failure in women and pancreatitis in men).

Winter May 12, 2022 3:43 AM


But intetestingly it’s gone up by more than 50% since the start of the Ukraine invasion on quite a few food stuffs.

Europe’s two biggest sources of agricultural products (e.g., wheat and vegetable oil) are at war. Ukraine’s exports are blocked by Russian war ships, stolen, or destructed by artillery fire. Fields are occupied by Russian armies or filled with mines. Russian oil and gas supplies are down due to the war.

At the other side of Eurasia, China’s biggest ports are in lockdown due to a new wave of covid. If stuff can be produced, it cannot be shipped.

I am not surprised at all.

Clive Robinson May 12, 2022 6:46 AM

@ Winter,

Re : I am not surprised at all.

Possibly not, but it’s a little bit more dire…

The basic protien source for humans comes from farmed grains, and farmed animals be they qiadrapeds, fowl or fish. Those animal sources along with all the dairy products they produce mostly come from grains.

Some years ago research was done about honey bees and pesticides and as part of it “total food chains” and similar were calculated…

Turns out bees and grains kind of form an apex for a heck of a lot more than just basic food…

The Invasion of the Ukraine is Russia ensuring that it gets it’s way in the world… Killing the food supply and stopping the fuel supply, gives Putin on heck of a long leaver.

Which leaves the question of fulcrums and points…

Winter May 12, 2022 7:41 AM


Killing the food supply and stopping the fuel supply, gives Putin on heck of a long leaver.

It was all based on the assumption that both NATO and the EU would crumble when they come in contact the invincible Russian Army.

UpTo now, there are no indications that any of these assumptions hold.


Which leaves the question of fulcrums and points…

You lost me here. I have no idea where to start following crumbs or connecting points. Putin has been planning this at least from 2006 and most likely from the start of his first presidency. What other leads are there to follow?

JonKnowsNothing May 12, 2022 9:24 AM

@Clive, @Winter, @All

re: Lost in the Wheat

Don’t forget the explosion in Beirut. Those huge grain silos with a large portion of the country’s imported wheat poured out on the ground and not even fit for rats after all the contamination.

Long levers can move large loads and whoever controls the food supply controls much.

UKR will not this year get a crop.
RU will be cropping away just fine.

Reduction in food supply will make prices rise.
  Poor economies will starve.
  Richer economies will go hungry.

UKR will still not get a crop this year.
RU will still be cropping fine. 12 times zones For The Ag Win.

Climate change is shoving Ag Production into different zones. Lack of water, too much water. Too cold, too hot. Too much pollution and extraordinary amounts of pollution.

UKR will still not get a crop this year and maybe not much for the next 1 or 2.

It takes time to get the ordinance, exploded or not out, of the fields and all that exploded ordinance isn’t good for the digestion. There maybe some fields that will be Never Planted due to contamination. Gallons of hydraulic fluid and diesel (gazoil) flowing down the gutters, over the fields and into the rivers.

Folks are still pulling out WW2 ordinance from fields (1) in Europe courtesy of the US Air Force ~1940-45.


1) There are a number of techniques in modern Ag ploughing which vary the depth at which the dirt is turned over. Some techniques do not turn over the dirt at all but this method is not common in Big Ag.

The depth of the turn over depends on the type of dirt and substrate under it. As tractors and machinery travel over the fields for planting and harvesting, their weight compacts the soil between the rows. The compacted soil causes more water to run off instead of seeping down into the ground near the plant.

Periodically a very very deep turn over is done to break up that compaction and also to break up certain types of substrates that impede root growth.

After wars, fields maybe cleared to standard ploughing depths, but if the bomb is lurking at the deep plough depth… add +n to the casualty list.

Clive Robinson May 12, 2022 9:32 AM

@ Winter,

You lost me here.

Many years ago, allegedly a some old bloke was asked a question and he replied that with a long enough leaver he could move the earth, or that’s the way many remember it (such is education thes days 😉

The supposed translation of the quote of Archimedes is,

Give me a lever long enough and a fulcrum on which to place it, and I shall move the world.

So if Putin thinks Food and Fuel control is sufficient as a lever and his aim is to move the world somehow, that leaves the question of where Putin is going to place the lever on the fulcrum, and where the fulcrum will be with respect to any other point in space.

If Putin fails to get his lever, or fails to build a fulcrum, or build it in the right place, then he will not move the world.

Hopefully to use an Americanism Putin will be,

“Three strikes and out”

Which is why no matter how much I wish we could stop the killing and worse committed by Putin’s chosen ship of fools, wr need for now to let it founder on the rocks and be broke assunder, thus breaking any hold Putin might have on a lever. It’s will then hopefully be the Russian people that tear Putin down and stomp on his image and destroy it’s place in history.

Unfortunately that leaves the fulcrum, which Putin has been building for many years, that too needs to be torn down, but that may require rather more than those currently directly involved…

So other military action will probably be needed and that is going to be problematic to put it politely because Russia will have to roll backward away from the both the Black and Azov seas. Not just for the sake of the east of Europe, but all the other nations around and adjacent to the Black and Azov seas.

Though how that can be done is another issue all together, but if it’s not done, longterm peace is unlikely.

Winter May 12, 2022 10:20 AM

@Clive & JonKnowsNothing

If Putin fails to get his lever, or fails to build a fulcrum, or build it in the right place, then he will not move the world.

I understand. There are three effects of this shortage and price increases:

  • People will sow more grains and sunflowers, maybe not this year, but then next year
  • People will use less of it to produce meat (also good against methane production)
  • People will switch to other crops, potatoes and rice come to mind

Putin’s gamble was a long term cartel of wheat production. That only works if you can keep others from entering the market. Given how mad the West is against Putin, I assume they are willing to spend generously to help new entrants to the markets.

Also, it has been made extremely clear that Putin will not stop unless the West, ie, EU and USA, have surrendered unconditionally to the Eurasian Empire [1]. Knowing that any money send to Russia will be used to buy bullets to shoot at us is a good incentive to not send money there.


JonKnowsNothing May 12, 2022 10:39 AM

@Clive, @Winter, @All

re:How to move the groove

There is a constant in all warfare: supply, supply, supply.

Normally for military, they focus on ordinance, armaments and soldiers but for nation states they know the supply is Food. Without food for the population as well as the military things do not go well.

What little reporting of NORK we get, indicated that in some of NORKs recent famines, food went primarily to the military, which employs a vast number of their population, but little went to the civilian population. There were Western Media claims that a visible lack of older persons and very young persons was an indicator of the level of distress.

Everything in the MSM indicates the belief that the UKR-RU Conflict will “All be over by Christmas”. If it isn’t over by Christmas, and it drags out to 2 or 3 or 5 or 20 Christmases (1) there are going to be some very cold people in EU and some very hungry people there too (2).

The Ag Sector is going to take much longer than this Christmas to recover. Unaffected Global Ag Sectors maybe able to divert their production but it comes at a heavy price for EU and UKR. Once UKR loses its market share and that share is gobbled up by other producers there will either be restrictive legislation enacted (tariffs = higher prices) or the overall production in UKR will change (less production or change in products). The EU will not be much better off in the long term.

If the war expands, as suggested by MSM reports, on the theory that this “All be over by Christmas” and “Putin won’t do anything” , it certain could be. We might all be over by Christmas.

Elon Musk has a solution: 996. A new gold standard for production.

  • 9am-9pm 9 hours a day
  • 6 days a week
  • no overtime, closed loop, burn the 3AM oil on demand

Lots of farmers already do this but do it 7 days a week and start at 3AM.

However, there are somethings that just Take Time and Time is what you don’t have when there isn’t enough to eat.


1) Averaging times for proxy wars with periodic but minimal escalations.

2) Due to embargo of anything and everything made in RU. Removing these restrictions takes much longer than putting them on the books.

JonKnowsNothing May 12, 2022 11:11 AM

@Winter, @Clive @All

re: Crop and production rotations

When reading up on such alternate rotations, I’d recommend you do a bit more diving below the surface and check out how that rotational change is to happen.

Like switching to Rice.

There are many types of rice but commercial farming uses only a few types and there are somethings labeled as rice but are not rice but grasses (Wild Rice aka Canada rice, Indian rice, or water oats).

There are different methods of growing and the classic Rice Paddy Image is some terraced system in a picturesque landscape.

Big Ag requires Big Fields. Those fields need to be Laser Leveled so that water can flood the field properly with little run off at the bottom. It’s often seeded by plane or helicopter. Some farmers can piggy back in a harvest of crawdads (aka crayfish, mudbugs) in the flooded field. It all requires special tractors and harvesters.

Rice runs a close second in water usage to alfalfa, California’s thirstiest crop, requiring about five acre-feet per growing season. With more than 500,000 acres of rice fields in California, a normal year could total 2.5 million acre-feet, or almost 55 percent of Shasta Lake’s full capacity. While that figure doesn’t reflect full consumption—more than 40 percent is returned to surface supplies as tailwater or percolates through the soil to recharge groundwater—there’s no doubt that rice farming is a water-intensive proposition.

Where will EU find all the clean water? Much less that many acres of high yield production lands?

California is in a major drought and the farmers aren’t getting the water for their rice fields this year, so production is going to be way down.

With the cost of fuel and energy and shelter, people cannot always boil up the water to make a pot of rice or pay the electricity cost for a rice steamer. (1)


1) Which reminds me to get a pot going before the hourly rates change 🙂

Ted May 12, 2022 12:09 PM

@JonKnowsNothing, Winter, Clive, All

Which reminds me to get a pot going before the hourly rates change

In another time I used a rice cooker to make rice. So convenient. Comes out perfect. I bet they make smart rice cookers, but would one dare?

When mom visited CA she said gas was $8 a gallon. That’s at least double our price here. I honestly don’t know how anybody could afford that.

IceDancer May 12, 2022 12:35 PM

Great reporting. I am surprised people haven’t come to this conclusion before now. One thing I did not see in the article though. Total Information Awareness as a program had huge plans. TIA was limited by Congress in 2003, effectively crippled. The same year ICE was created.

JonKnowsNothing May 12, 2022 4:49 PM

@ Ted, Winter, Clive, All

re: Beellions and Beellions of Ways

There are a large number of ways to cook rice and many different types of rice. I encourage you to do a bit of web-fu and WikiP to check out all the methods and types you can find.

Many cultures have distinct types of rice and very specific ways to prepare it. Lots of them can be altered to meet your local palette and cooking kit.

You don’t need a mechanical steamer, unless you are doing the mega drive through and/or big meal crowd for lunch/dinner.

Here are 2 simpler versions to get you started.

For medium or short grain rice

  • 1 cup rice rinsed
  • 2 cups water
  • salt optional / splash of olive oil optional
  • put it all in a pot and bring to a boil (@8 minutes until it boils)
  • cover and turn down the heat until a medium simmer (still bubbling)
  • remove after 15 minutes and let it sit off the burner for 5 minutes
  • fuel use 23 minutes

For long grain Basmati rice

  • 1 cup of rice, rinsed and soaked (the longer the better but 20 min will do)
  • 1 1/2 cups of water
  • salt optional / splash of olive oil optional
  • put it all in pot and bring to a boil (@8 minutes until it boils)
  • cover and turn down the heat until a medium simmer (still bubbling)
  • remove after 11 minutes and let it sit off the burner for 10-15 minutes
  • fuel use 19 minutes

And then there is Jambalaya…

Jambalaya Hank Williams

Jambalaya, crawfish pie and fillet gumbo …


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Brian May 15, 2022 7:30 AM

It’s not just ICE, it’s also the car companies gathering and then selling this data to other companies like Otomono (currently the subject of a class-action lawsuit) and Wejo (partially owned by Palantir) who then sell it, and the insights on.
If you live in a jurisdiction where you can get the telemetry data your car collects on you, do so, it’ll scare the crap out of you, and your passengers.
For really fun times, ask the OEM/Car manufacturer when and how you gave this permission…

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