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June 8, 2010
Fear in a Political Ad
Carly Fiorina wants to scare Californians into voting for her.
Yes, terrorists kill -- about as often as home appliances.
EDITED TO ADD (6/12): PolitiFact breaks down the ad. And we need to fear demon sheep (the best part starts around 2:20).
Posted on June 8, 2010 at 1:04 PM
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Hmmm, didn't a well known security person also use scare tactics to get himself hired??? *cough*
I hate political ads: they manage to pack so much stupid into so small a space. Terrorists won't kill more people than unchecked global warming which means it is a pressing national security concern. Global warming is not the weather. This ad is certainly at home on YouTube with all the other conspiracy crap:
@peri " certainly at home on YouTube "
You go! peri.
So it's a stupid political ad. It doesn't look like a scare tactic to me, just pointing out that different candidates define things differently in their own minds.
Not that I have any secret Carly fantasies: It's just more election garbage.
I'll vote for the one who will be able to stop the motion between the Pacific Plate and the North American Plate.
I laughed out loud at this ad, mightily, after seeing it on the television. After that, my first thought was that "weather" and "climate change" aren't the same. Then I was amused that this bothered me more than "climate change doesn't kill poeple, terrorists do."
I'm with peri. So much stupid in such a small space. Scary is to this ad like my childhood memories of "childs play" are to Bride of Chucky.
What is it about politicos and "being to frightened to go out your front door"?
If you believe even an infitesimal fraction of the rhetoric you would conclude that everybody that comes within 100m of your front door is going to hurt you...
Do they actually have so little to say they have to make it all up?
And why oh why in the US has lying about political candidates become a national pastime not just for the loonies but the main stream candidates themselves. What is it in the US psyche that encorages this sort of behaviour and believes its a valid form of political debate?
I could go on and on and....
But what the heck, are people in the US that shallow?
"Terrorists kill people; I'm Carly Fiorina, I ran Hewlett-Packard."
I fail to see how running HP gives her any credentials in fighting terrorism. Is it because you can't say "I ran HP" without "Iran"?
FUD is common in information security... why should politicians, who are known to be full of hot air, be held to a higher standard?
Perhaps we should shore up our own glass houses before casting stones?
"Fear in a political ad?"
Wish that were new...
Didn't she run HP into the ground?
I'm soooooo tired of idiots and polititrolls, like Carly, who can't/don't distinguish between climate and weather.
"Yes, terrorists kill -- about as often as home appliances."
So if we send home appliances to terrorists they will take each other out? Sounds cheaper than TSA (and good for the economy as well).
The difference is easy - Climate is what you expect; weather is what you get.
Carly Fiorina took hp from a company who's product was the "goto" choice for technology in every market it was in and turned it into Big Lots (in terms of quality, not sales volume).
I replaced an hp scientific calculator with a new one. the new one died within a year, I went back to the old one (27 yo this month and counting and I carry it every day). I replaced a 10yo hp laser printer with a new one. It died too. I will never get another hp. I recently replaced an hp inkjet with a Canon and have been very happy with it.
Beware of the Brave Little Toaster!!
Vote for me or you'll die a horrible infidel death.
"a WHO quantitative assessment [..] concluded that the effects of the climate change that has occurred since the mid-1970s may have caused over 150,000 deaths in 2000. It also concluded that these impacts are likely to increase in the future."
( http://www.who.int/globalchange/news/... )
It doesn't seem to me that terrorism manages to match climate change in death toll.
international narcoterrorists using weapons of mass murder, developed in rogue narcostates ruled by dictatorial genocidal regimes, with deliberate intent to mass murder innocent american civilians in homicide narcoterrorist attacks
> why should politicians... be held to a higher standard?
Because they have a higher calling?
Fiorina's opinion of herself is so high, she should be disqualified from office on that score alone.
@Clive "everybody that comes within 100m of your front door is going to hurt you..."
NOT Since I installed the Samsung Sentry Robot.
@joe "Didn't she run HP into the ground?"
Not so much that but this is a woman who paid for detectives (since convicted) to spy on her board and executives of HP. The state dropped her charges 'cause she was sick. Healthy enuf to stump? Healthy enough to stand trial for law breaking.
I did! 5 times! Don't kill me!
She is endorsed by Sarah Palin.
There are only two points of view, the Republican candidate and the Democratic candidates. Since the D candidate isn't going to point out what you say for fear of being seen as "soft on terrorism", that point of view doesn't exist.
Re: Paul Crowley - There are more than two points of view; California has six political parties, not to mention the various candidates within each party and independents.
The one that caused spontaneous dancing for joy in the cubicle farms at HP when she LEFT?
The one that improved HP's stock price dramatically by LEAVING?
The one that turned HP from a geek's best friend to an ink cartridge seller? She closed the division that made my beloved HP-48SX!!
Forget the scales and the duck, just burn the witch!
Well, Carly should know something about the economic costs of terrorism and climate change. She had to have run at least that much red ink at HP.
"The one that turned HP from a geek's best friend to an ink cartridge seller?"
Make that an "ink cartridge seller to Iran", according to CNN
@ BF Skinner,
"NOT Since I installed the Samsung Sentry Robot"
Is that the one with the hard coded engenieering password?
If she is the person who did so much damage to HP (as well as cow a complacent board), brought HP into disrepute in oh so many ways both legal and not oh and sold of the family gold at bottom dollar...
She might want to come to the UK I hear the Labour party is looking for a replacment leader and they are not that chosey...
If she is the person who did so much damage to HP (as well as cow a complacent board), brought HP into disrepute in oh so many ways both legal and not oh and sold off the HP "family gold" at bottom dollar...
She might want to come to the UK I hear the Labour party is looking for a replacment leader and they look on those sorts of failings as positive benifits in a leader (or they have in the past couple)...
@BF Skinner,Clive Robinson: "Sentry Robot hardcoded password."
It has to be "what door would the other sentry tell me to use" because nobody would guess it.
She also apparently wants us to be afraid of demon sheep: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wo_Ejfc5hW8 (if you don't want to watch the whole thing, the best part starts at about 2:20). Yes, it's a real Carly Fiorina ad, and yes, she won her primary today.
@Laura : "demon sheep"
That has to be the funniest thing I have ever seen on YouTube! I know, factually, that it is a Carly Fiorina political ad but I just can't _believe_ it. At least not yet.
Reducing stock value is not a feat unique to Carly. Seems to me it is quite common in certain CEO-circles. Getting the golden handshake as well. This should not be held against her.
Clear such a stupid ad on the other hand should be held against her. If she really believes this *%$&t and approves of the style of argumentation she should be banned from any offical jobs. just my 2 ¢
She's not even wrong. The quality of politicians these days...
Global Warming is and has always been a scare tactic. It is not real. It only makes certain people rich off of the average idiot's fear of something false.
It all suddenly made sense as soon as she said "I'm Carly Fiorina". I'm not familar with CA politics and I don't know who she is running against, but I do hope voters there remember what she _did_ to HP...
"I'm Carly Fiorina and I ran HP" (until they ran me off at which point there was much rejoicing, especially on Wall Street). Just say NO, my CA friends!
"I'm Carly Fiorina and ..." what government needs are people who were CEO's to modify government so it runs like a business. Don't ya think that worked well for the US from 2000-2008? California needs an outsider as a Governor because people that understand the political process will only make compromises. That's why our current Governor has been such a sucess in dealing with Sacramento.
Vote Fiorina 'cause you shouldn't condemn the whole program because of one failure.
So now even WE here are about politics. I guess it will always come back to conservatives vs. liberals; right vs left; HP vs. Islamic radicalism...
I'm Carly Fiorina and I ran HP...
...into the ground!
...and transformed it from an innovative technology company to reseller of other people's product!
...offshoring as many US jobs as possible!
...like a gulag!
And I want to do the same for the great State of California.
So is this what our political discourse is reduced to? Arguing over which doomsday scenario is going to kill us all?
She ran HP into the ground then after trying to dismantle it, she decided to merge it with Compaq, the worse system packager. After that fiasco didn't bear any fruits, she got fired and of course now she's going for a position where she can do less harm.
Why would people listen to her, just because she's running on a ticket, is beyond my comprehension.
IIRC HP paid Carly quite a bit (millions) to leave.
I've been trying for years to get my day job (not at HP) to pay me to leave.
So far all the farther I've gotten is a co-worker who's willing to chip in $5.
Shouldn't Carly Fiorina be in prison?
Iran is using newish HP products?
That's the best news I've heard all week!
She scares all unborn children
@Andreas: "Not that I have any secret Carly fantasies"
That's both disturbing and intriguing.
@Clive and Peri "Is that the one with the hard coded engenieering password?"
Yeah. It's a knock knock joke.
She was on one of the LA TV stations this morning. During her nomination speech last night she made a comment about how her and Meg Whitman knew how to create jobs and cut costs. The reporter "called her" on the fact that she had layed off 30,000 workers during her tenure and sent the jobs overseas to China and India. She sidestepped and said that California was not friendly for businesses. Did she ever think to try one of the other 49 states before she shipped the jobs away?
By the time she was fired, their stock had gone from ~$52/share in 1999 to ~$21/share in 2005, yet she still got a $20 million golden parachute. How do the rest of us get in on something like that. I'm pretty sure I can run a business into the ground, and I think I may be able to do it in less than 6 years! ;-)
As I recall, the market cap. of HP jumped about $10 billion when she was fired. Carly Fiorina: the negative 10 billion dollar woman.
@Andreas: "Not that I have any secret Carly fantasies"
So they are all public fantasies? Yuck.
"FUD is common in information security... why should politicians, who are known to be full of hot air, be held to a higher standard?"
AFAIK we still live in a democracy where politicians are scrutinized by PUBLIC before they get hired for the post.
FUD is common everywhere, should we succumb to the lowest of standards because of that?
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