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Schneier on SecurityA blog covering security and security technology. « Quantum Ghost Imaging | Main | Stabbing People with Stuff You Can Get Through Airport Security » November 18, 2009How Smart are Islamic Terrorists?Organizational Learning and Islamic Militancy (May 2009) was written by Michael Kenney for the U.S. Department of Justice. It's long: 146 pages. From the executive summary: Organizational Learning and Islamic Militancy contains significant findings for counter-terrorism research and policy. Unlike existing studies, this report suggests that the relevant distinction in knowledge learned by terrorists is not between tacit and explicit knowledge, but metis and techne. Focusing on the latter sheds new insight into how terrorists acquire the experiential "know how" they need to perform their activities as opposed to abstract "know what" contained in technical bomb-making preparations. Drawing on interviews with bomb-making experts and government intelligence officials, the PI illustrates the critical difference between learning terrorism skills such as bomb-making and weapons firing by abstraction rather than by doing. Only the latter provides militants with the experiential, intuitive knowledge, in other words the metis, they need to actually build bombs, fire weapons, survey potential targets, and perform other terrorism-related activities. In making this case, the PI debunks current misconceptions regarding the Internet's perceived role as a source of terrorism knowledge. Posted on November 18, 2009 at 1:45 PM • 41 Comments To receive these entries once a month by e-mail, sign up for the Crypto-Gram Newsletter. "The perpetrators that carried out these attacks were determined, adaptable (if only in a limited, tactical sense) -- and surprisingly careless." Reminds me of the CIA 'operatives' who kidnapped that guy in Italy. Leaving a trail of mobile call info, use of swanky hotels on the tax-payers' dime etc. etc. Posted by: Brutus at November 18, 2009 1:52 PM @Even the most "successful" operations in recent years -- 9/11, 3/11, and 7/7 -- contained basic errors in tradecraft and execution. Reminds me of an earlier post that attributed part of their success on 9/11 "dumb luck." While I do not disagree that there are no doubt a lot of dumb and careless terrorists, I don't consider successfully hijacking 4 of 4 planes within minutes and reaching the target on 3 of 4 of them was "dumb luck" or "careless." If that were the case, I suspect we would have seen some failed hijack attempts and more than one failed collision. Dumb and careless terrorists? Yes. Is 9/11 included in that? That is debatable. Posted by: HJohn at November 18, 2009 2:26 PM Planning vs execution. Idiots can carry out a solid ops plan. They will err in doing so. The point of otherwise useless measures such as airport and border screening, physical security measures, etc. is to create more opportunities for failure points. Posted by: Andrew at November 18, 2009 2:39 PM @Andrew at November 18, 2009 2:39 PM I agree... idiots can do a lot of damage before they are caught or stopped. Idiots are also notorious for copycatting since they cannot really devise a master plan on their own (I'm not talking airline security there). Posted by: HJohn at November 18, 2009 2:47 PM What is this crap about hyper-sophisticated "super terrorists"? BING BING BING - movie plot threat! Now, take everything that was mentioned in that article and compare it to what would be needed to buy some handguns and shoot up a shopping mall during a heavy shopping day. And that's just one person. A few people could coordinate at multiple malls. But then, these scenarios have been discussed here time and time again. Posted by: Brandioch Conner at November 18, 2009 2:51 PM So reading the internet to learn how to build a bomb is like reading the internet to learn kung-fu? That makes a lot of sense. Mere information isn't that useful without the opportunity to practice, using experiential feedback to develop technique. Posted by: Skorj at November 18, 2009 2:52 PM Skorj: mostly yes. But I would say that *building* a bomb is not that hard for anyone with some mechanical skills, and here formal instruction can be effective. Making and handling *explosives* is the tricky part. To do it properly without blowing off one's body parts - that is what requires experience, practice and skill. Posted by: Peter A. at November 18, 2009 3:13 PM It is difficult to stop a determined man who has decided to die and take you with him. The Japanese kamikazes were difficult to stop as well. The US had to alter tactics by destroying all Japanese airfields within range of the fleets and increase the AA barrage to throw a lead shield around the fleet and still a few planes got through killing over 5,000 men at Okinawa. The planes were usually obsolete, and the airmen for the most part weren't well trained, and most of them died before reaching their objectives, but the few that did made up for the losses of the others. I wonder if the navy's postwar study about the kamikaze problem was similar in tone to this paper? Posted by: jbmoore at November 18, 2009 3:47 PM @HJohn: Whilst the 2001 attacks were the fruit of careful thought and planning, there is much evidence that their security was very poor indeed - numerous people involved carelessly disclosed a great deal of sensitive information, prior to execution of the attack. If their carelessness had not been equaled by that of Western intelligence and law enforcement, their attack might well have been interdicted, and the 4/4 highjack success rate could easily have been 0/4. Posted by: MarkH at November 18, 2009 3:54 PM I think we all agree it doesn't take a particularly intelligent person or group of people to coordinate some attacks. Even a group of people half as smart as Forrest Gump could wait until their watch says 9am and open fire on a group of people. I just don't put the 9/11 hijackers in this category. Some of them may have been idiots helping more intelligent terrorists, I could see that. Yet, I don't think without some reasonable measure of intelligence they could have took control of all 4 planes and navigated 3 of them to targets. That is not to say they were all geniuses, but I didn't think that attack was dumb luck. Clearly, many of them overall are not particularly intelligent and succeed through dumb luck. Posted by: HJohn at November 18, 2009 3:55 PM @MarkH: "If their carelessness had not been equaled by that of Western intelligence and law enforcement, their attack might well have been interdicted, and the 4/4 highjack success rate could easily have been 0/4." I still don't think 9/11 was as easy to detect as one may think. There is tons of intelligence all over the map, and it is not as simple to put together accross geography and agency as one may think. Not to mention, this would have fallen easily under the "Movie Plot" category on 9/10/2001. Posted by: HJohn at November 18, 2009 3:58 PM I could not believe how blindly naive that article was and how it stereotyped Islamic terrorist into the category of being a bunch of illiterate bums that are incapable of carrying out a cyberwar. Here is the wake-up call. Cyber-Jihadist are the sharp edge of the global cybercrime world. And for the last couple of years - cyber-jihadist have been ruthlessly and relentlessly finding ways to steal money and create economic instability in the Internet commercial economy. For some reason the dunces all think that a cyber - jihadist is going to attack physical infrastructure. But not one person ( except of course myself ) have publicly pointed the finger at global cyber-jihadist as being behind a significant percentage of attacks against the economic infrastructures of non-Muslim countries. Let us be clear. In a call for Jihad.. a 'good Muslim' does not have to strap a bomb on himself or commit physical attacks against non-believers. In fact, in a call to Jihad, 'good Muslims' can and do participate in whatever way they can... and that includes looting and robbing bank accounts of non-believers. As well, a call to Jihad can also be carried out by 'good Muslims' by non-actions - such as acts as simple as providing disinformation. A Muslim, saying that "Muslims are not behind cybercrime' is in fact accomplishing Jihad. But let us get back to basics for a second. The Islamic faith represents 25% of the global population - and probably represents a similar percetange of people on the Internet of the Islamic faith. The followers of Islam are not demographically located in just the Middle East... they populate every country in the world. And so attacks against the financial pocketbooks of non-Muslims can be originating from any country in the world. For some reason the media is quite cowardly at connecting the dots of the role that cyber-jihadist may be playing in the never ending expansion of cybercrime globally. Possibly those media sources are fearful of being called bigots, rascist or some other worn out catch-phrase. And most commercial security companies are also fearful to mention the role that cyber-jihadist are playing in cybercrime. Possibly they are fearful at offending 25% of the Internet population that are Muslim. And so I trust you will see that I found the government's considerations and musings about cyberwar to be quite laughable. The cyberwar is happening already and has been happen for the last couple of years. And frankly THEY ARE WINNING and inflicting economic damages that are significant and possibly fatal to countries with already weakened economies. Maybe someday folks will start looking a little deeper into the religious leanings or backgrounds of some of the cybercrime players...... . Posted by: CyberJihad = Cybercrime which = Cyberwar at November 18, 2009 4:14 PM HJohn, don't equate ignorance, particularly lack of metis (i.e. practical experience) with lack of intelligence. A person can be intelligent but if they have had no opportunity to learn by doing it won't necessarily translate into practice. Think the Big Bang Theory guys trying to play a sport versus learn its rules. The 9/11 hijackers could have been intelligent and determined and yet still careless and make mistakes and - with a good dose of luck and mistakes on the intelligence side - be successful. The exec summary does note the increased counter-terrorism effort as futher limiting opportunities to train -- i.e. they couldn't do it again that way and get away with it, but (again in the article) since they are dead anyway we don't need to worry about them learning from their mistakes. In short, it sounds like the article is stating something that should be obvious to anyone with even basic hands on training in anything: if you never get the opportunity to learn by doing, you won't be very good at doing when the time comes and the pressure's on, and even the relatively successful terrorists are pretty low on the skills/experience level. Posted by: sheldon at November 18, 2009 4:27 PM @CyberJihad = Cybercrime which = Cyberwar at November 18, 2009 4:14 PM
Posted by: HJohn at November 18, 2009 4:32 PM @sheldon at November 18, 2009 4:27 PM
Posted by: HJohn at November 18, 2009 4:34 PM The TSA seems to operate under the assumption that terrorists are as stupid and inept as they are, and can thus be stopped with the inconsistent application of illogical rules. So maybe they've had it right all along? Posted by: George at November 18, 2009 4:42 PM The entire piece is well worth the time to read it. A nice bit of CT research with real world practical applications. Note however that in order to catch people using 'sloppy tradecraft,' that the good guys must actually be looking. Posted by: Andrew at November 18, 2009 5:03 PM @H.John I think that the description of the 9/11 terrorists as "careless" is actually something of a veiled indictment of the intelligence/counter-terrorism establishment beforehand. Alternately, it could simply mean that they left a lot of operational information "hidden in plain sight" and lucked out on account of analysts never having had cause to find and examine that information. I think at this point, that it would be necessary to read more than just the executive summary of the report to see what reasons (if any) are given for the ultimate success of such a "carelessly" executed attack. Posted by: kiwano at November 18, 2009 5:25 PM HJohn: But there was a similar attempt in the late 90's to hijack a number of planes over the Pacific ocean and knock-out buildings. The jihadists had a conference in Malaysia, I think I recall, to plan out it. But it was busted hard, 'cause the intelligence services in the pacific rim outclassed the jihadists -- by doing such clever things as going to the conferences and tracking the guys involved. Which says a lot about the 'metis' of our own folks -- given the fact that they were advantaged in knowing about the previous attempt. Fool me once.... Posted by: kangaroo at November 18, 2009 5:37 PM Bruce, The NY Times just published an article that, although they probably had the best journalistic intentions in mind, is really just a huge ad for snake oil security. Since this is in the NY Times, a huge number of users are going to be affected. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/19/technology/... It is full of pearls such as: > > > It would be nice if the NYT could be persuaded to provide a more balanced counter-article to this article. It also illustrates why snake oil security is so pervasive - when an average journalist tries to explain security, it in sounds like snake oil anyway! Posted by: Pseudoanonymous at November 18, 2009 10:32 PM Ok, the pearls didn't make it the first time, but here they are: ... When a user visits such a site, SafeCentral asks if the user wants to proceed securely. If the answer is yes, a background resembling armor plating appears. In this safe room of sorts, certain Windows features regularly abused by attackers have been disabled. ... Kemesa says it has created a “digital fortress.” To start, the product (which uses an add-on for the Internet Explorer and Firefox browsers and a Web site), puts an encrypted token on the computer, which makes it extremely difficult for a remote attacker to gain access to personal records. ... At Kemesa, customer information is not just encrypted, it’s broken up into tiny pieces that are then stored in different databases on different networks, making reassembly by an attacker grueling. It also monitors for intrusions, regularly tests its defenses, keeps its physical location in lockdown and otherwise sticks to Defense Department security standards. Posted by: Pseudoanonymous at November 18, 2009 10:34 PM I doubt it would be that complex to actually time simultaneous events in the downtowns of the following cities on a weekday. 10 AM in LA & SF, 11 AM in Denver, 12 PM in Houston & Chicago, and 1 PM in NY, Boston & DC would paralyze the country at least for a few hours if on a large scale. Beyond the materials and resolve to do it participants would have to be able to read a watch. Posted by: The man at November 18, 2009 11:11 PM There is no such thing as a "smart terrorist". A smart terrorist wouldn't be a terrorist at all. Posted by: Andreas at November 19, 2009 12:41 AM I smell a new TV show - perhaps hosted by Jeff Dunham - in place of Jeff Foxworthy? "Are you smarter than an Islamic Terrorist?" Posted by: Anonymous coward at November 19, 2009 3:03 AM @ A smart terrorist wouldn't be a terrorist at all. Not, indeed. He would be called "Mr. President" or "Mr. Secretary General" or "Dear Leader" or such. The devastation he would cause will be much bigger than any garden-variety dumbo terrist could hope to do - by several orders of magnitude, at least. And, of course, nobody gives peace Nobels to dumb terrorists. Only to smart ones. Posted by: averros at November 19, 2009 3:15 AM @Andreas Posted by: uk visa at November 19, 2009 5:06 AM @CyberJihad = Cybercrime which = Cyberwar I'd like to know more about that interesting subject. Your reasoning sounds perfectly probable. Could you supply more information about the involvement of djihadists in cybercrime ? Are there any studies, statistics on that ? Posted by: No-Djihadist-Arrogance-Any-More! at November 19, 2009 5:42 AM @uk visa I think you meant to say "Osama" or am I missing some US political joke here? Posted by: Rick at November 19, 2009 8:59 AM I think the analysis is on the mark!. Osama appears at the model of the bombers -- KSM is the more careful executioner as a recent NYT article on him showed. Posted by: sooth sayer at November 19, 2009 9:32 AM @The man: Even a simple plot like the one you describe requires getting all the people involved together, either online or in person, and (if in person) distributing them to the right places. Also weapons training, so that they don't screw up something simple. All of those things can potentially leave traces. I think that there's a common implicit assumption that every city in the world is riddled with weapons-trained terrorist wannabes just waiting for their master and commander to give them the orders about what to blow up. Before it foundered on anything else, such a big plan would probably stall on arguments about what time to commit the fatal act, because everyone would want it to happen at peak traffic for their time zone... Posted by: paul at November 19, 2009 10:47 AM "I don't consider successfully hijacking 4 of 4 planes within minutes and reaching the target on 3 of 4 of them was 'dumb luck' or 'careless.'" An unpatched security hole in a computer system can generally be hijacked 100% of the time and use of it may be almost as successful until word of the hole gets around and countermeasures are taken. The 9/11 attacks were really no different than this. They exploited an existing hole (hijackers generally want to take the place somewhere and park for a while, not use the plane as a weapon against a building) that has since been patched. Posted by: Thuktun at November 19, 2009 11:22 AM Doesn't the fact that the operations were successful despite some mistakes in execution demonstrate at least some sophistication in the planning stage? It means that the plan had enough contingencies to manage some level of failure and still succeed. It's kind of like defense in depth; any complex operation needs to assume that some parts will fail. It looks like they planned in for some level of failure while still allowing the operations to proceed successfully. Posted by: Michael Begley at November 19, 2009 1:26 PM @Michael Begley The problem is that "sophistication" doesn't relay any information. The more complex the operation, the more sophistication needed to plan it and to ensure that it is somewhat error-proof. Hijacking planes doesn't take much sophistication (at that time). Hijacking planes and flying them into buildings took more sophistication and training. And they correctly determined the amount of training that was necessary. There are not many terrorists out there with that degree of intelligence and dedication. Which is why we do not see many attacks such as that. (BTW, there aren't many NON-terrorists with that degree of intelligence, either.) The key for the terrorists is to match: Unsophisticated terrorists can easy plan, train and carry out simplistic attacks. The more sophisticated the attack, the smaller the pool of people who could successfully complete it. And with suicide attacks, the pool is self-limiting. A successful attack removes those members from the pool. Posted by: Brandioch Conner at November 19, 2009 2:37 PM Anyone who's ever tried to coordinate an event involving multiple parties in different cities knows how complicated it is to actually make things happen at just the right time. Conceptually, it seems easy, but, Conceptually, so is Kung Fu. Organizing people and getting them to do things just right isn't easy, no matter how smart they are. I think some of the best security we have is the fact that Wester movies and TV make it seem so damn easy to learn to do certain things (shoot a moving target, make a bomb, fly a plane, learn Kung Fu). This, at least, allows the FBI to entrap the dumb attackers, who might get lucky with a car bomb, but, instead, wind up trying to buy parts from the feds. Posted by: Anca at November 19, 2009 3:02 PM "I don't consider successfully hijacking 4 of 4 planes within minutes and reaching the target on 3 of 4 of them was "dumb luck" or "careless." If that were the case, I suspect we would have seen some failed hijack attempts and more than one failed collision." and they took over all 4 planes with BOX CUTTERS ... not firearms which makes me believe they had a little more than dumb luck going for them Posted by: Nomad at November 20, 2009 1:22 AM @Rick You're absolutely right, my mistake - I hate it when I mix up my bs! Posted by: uk visa at November 20, 2009 2:47 AM My comment was about carelessness, not intellect. I have always respected the competence of the planning and preparation for their murderous attack. But apparently, people involved in the planning and execution "blabbed" (bragging, etc.) - seemingly hundreds (or even thousands) folks with absolutely no "need to know" had at least some vague knowledge of the attack before it took place. Luckily for their plans, this massive leakage didn't reach anyone who was both 1) unsympathetic and 2) prepared to act on the information. Operationally, they were very successful. In the separate dimension of security, they were careless. Posted by: MarkH at November 22, 2009 9:36 AM "Islamic Terrorists". In the world, there are around 1.5 billion muslims and unfortunately get upset when they hear this term. Have you ever heard "christian terrorists" or "Jewish terrorists"? But who killed millions of people in the 1. world war, 2. world war, in Palestine, in Irak, in Afghanistan? Muslims? (see Jürgen Todenhöfer for more info @youtube) @Bruce: Terrorism can not have any religion. The media/some people use this term deliberately. Security-aware person requires seeing the world from other perspectives; not from the perspective of he is forced to see. Please more empathy! Posted by: @terminology at November 29, 2009 2:40 PM The 9/11 attack was rendered much more spectacular by the collapse of the World Trade Center buildings. I read the engineering analysis of the failure. Many more people would have been saved if the buildings did not fail; however, it's my belief that they (the planners) were just as surprised as we were when the buildings collapsed. Posted by: Stanley F. Quayle at December 15, 2009 9:46 AM Systems learn. The 'long tail' model already employed by Iraqi bombers and Somali pirates will likely provide the necessary expertise at all levels, from strategic to kinetic. The greatest weakness I see in the DOJ analysis is that it overlooks entirely the probability that most future conflict will be of the 5GW variety, and therefore more entrepreneurial than ideological. Posted by: John Goekler at December 15, 2009 10:50 AM Subscribe to comments on this entry Post a comment
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