Schneier on Security

You'd think they'd "illegally downlod" a spellchecker at some point in time.

We'll see..

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7219802.stm

Apparently “Illegal Downloding" is free… but that cracked version of Office 2007 that kid is running is missing spell-check.

@Bryan

Yes, file *sharers* run the risk of prosecution but does anybody know of any cases in which a *downloader* has been prosecuted?

As far as I know years ago you could run a ftp server and have an elaborate disclaimer to avoid prosecution. Is this still possible?

How does someone legally share files that may be "illegal" as the media/copyright companies call it?

@defcon: I've seen the disclaimers you refer to. I've never heard of them being tested in court, but I've seen good explanations of why they won't work.

I don't think an NDA and sworn statement you aren't a police officer will protect drug dealing. Remember that the courts are the ones that enforce contracts, and can choose not to enforce for reasons including public policy considerations. Being guilty of a crime can make it hard to enforce agreements related to it. 'Unclean hands' is the term for that I believe.

@defcon
HAHAHA, YEA! Remember hotline? Classic.

You know what worries me? The upcoming "War on illegal downloading".

In the last 20 years, as we all know, the politicians (of both parties) have pretty much fed the Bill of Rights through the shredder. Lately they've used the "War on terrorism" as an excuse, but they got momentum from the "War on Drugs". We don't know whether the "War on terrorism" has had any effect on terrorism because terrorist events are low-probability anyway. We do know what effect the "War on Drugs" has had on drug availability and consumption: zilch, none, nada.

It's not difficult, then, to predict that the upcoming "War on illegal downloading" will have zero lasting effect on illegal downloading. But I also predict that we're about to lose a bunch more civil liberties when it gets going.

Of course illegal downloading needs to stop.

Only videos from known, good corporate citizens streamed from their servers should be allowed.

Otherwise, even the NSA's resources to the tap the internet will be choked trying to find infomation steganographicaly concealed in millions of multigigabyte high definition videos.

/sarcasm

Bruce! They're all going to start using your open wifi!

Flickr requires links back to the original photo page (and it's courteous to do so; his photo page has 39 page views, in comparison to the more than 8,000 Diggs his photo's URL has received):

"F THE RIAA" by Neo892k
http://www.flickr.com/photos/68708714@N00/2219282175/

@Kurt McKee: Flickr only requires (well, asks for) links to the photo page if you EMBED the image file that's hosted on Flickr.

Of course, it's still nice to do so, anyway.

What's the message written on those posters? Its too small in the image to read

The punishment for illegally downloading Microsoft software is that you may be forced to use/keep it.

I don't get it? What's excellent about it.

@HAHAHA, YEA! Remember hotline? Classic.

You make me want to dig up my old trusty 33k6... Remember Caracho?

I first thought the TPB poster was posted before the other ones. But reading the comments here made me understand, and feel way better towards Schneier.

FWIW, that photo is "© All rights reserved", not cc-by-*, so no attribution is needed. And woe to people who downloaded that image.

Chairman and chief executive of IFPI John Kennedy in the BBC story linked in comment #2: "The operators of The Pirate Bay have always been interested in making money, not music."

Is he raving mad? Surely either that, or he's just plain lying; he must know better than that. Now which is worse? Do we prefer to run our politics based on mad people or lying people?

That depends on what "illegal downloading is" In several European countries, law allows for the so-called "private copy", which is the one you make for yourself on a non-for-profit basis. As a compensation, authors receive money from several sources (like a levy on all kinds of digital storage media, which is highly unpopular but there it is).

Several judges in Spain have thus concluded that people who download material for their own use can do so legally, as long as they don´t profit from it.

Nevertheless, our RIAA wants to have the pie and eat it, too: they get lots of money from the digital levy, yet claims that the "private copy" is the one you make from the original you already bought (which is NOT what the law says).

In other countries, like the UK, law does not allow private copy, so downloading is considered an unlawful action. Still, it´s the judges who must state so.

For what it's worth, I guess they better stated:

"Think uploading is free?"

because downloading is legal, whereas uploading isn't. anyway just buy your favorite music you tossers! ;-)

The two ads against illegal downloading are for real ?
I do not live in the US, but those ads make me feel like if i buy music from those people i am bending to some sort of "legal" racket.

$600 per quarter for my broadband link
$300 per quarter for increasing storage requirements
~$40 per quarter in electricity directly attributable to the puters.....
who said anything about free?

Being poor should not mean that you don't deserve to communicate. I'm not poor, but there is a lot of software I just can't afford. Companies like Google are giving away software, while Microsoft wants hundreds of dollars for a program. Software can be helpful, so high prices limit the person that can't afford the tools. That is why Google will continue to grow. Entertainment will follow the ad growth model.

The War on Drugs may not have had any effect on consumption, but by limiting availability to those who play the game with the authorities, it _has_ kept the trade very profitable. Cynics may conclude that this was the actual purpose.

Considering the people who run TPB are Swedish, their spellcheck probably doesn't do English very well.

@Bystander: Nowadays almost every downloader is also a sharer. The most popular protocole is bittorrent and for it's efficiency the downloaders also upload their part even during download, to make other downloader download part you don't already have, hence augmenting the download speed.

I’m all for protecting intellectual property, be it in digital form or not, as long as the protective measures are legal, fair, and ethical. If protective measures are less successful than hoped for, as is currently the case for many owners, the solution is not to adopt or support measures that encroach upon constitutional or statutory rights of consumers, or that attempt to discourage, preempt, or punish fair use.

Any idea where the real posters are from?

And then, there is the fact that said picture is copyrighted... How fun!

I do not think the term "illegal download" (or downlod if you prefer) is appropriated.

I do agree that sometimes it can be claimed that certain user did download certain contents he did not have the legal right to do so.

But as someone already pointed out, even in that case, the download is not the illegal action but the fact that somebody else is "serving" this contents without authorization.

That is why the terms like "pirate" and "illegal downloads" are more of language war that RIAA and the like are pushing on the public. The more they succeed on us using these terms the more valid their claims will look to the public. I for one, refuse to accept those terms (piracy use to involve ships on the high seas, didn't it?).

hahhaha. nice posters though.

Bruce, perhaps you should come out of the one-word joke closet and say outright your opinion on illegal downloading.

Stealing is cool

Hah, better disable the browser cache, otherwise you might commit an expensive "illegal downlod".

@Miguel Sanchez: "piracy use to involve ships on the high seas, didn't it?"

That is indeed the original meaning, but the copyright-related meaning seems to be very well established as well. Since 1701, according to this site: http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=pirate . (And I've seen other web sites that give similar timescales, though I've never looked it up in an actual book.)

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In this modern day and age, the quantity of media you consume should not be limited by your revenue. I spend 15$ a month every single month on buying drm-free music though I download way more than that. Do I feel guilty ? NO.. But someone who always download and pays nothing should do his math.. Artists need to get paid at some point. I'm doing my part and I'm consuming just as much as I want.

Think again. Those hard drives and DVD-Rs will cost ya.

Purely fantasic! Great! They can't do this one bit! isn't it going to be hard to actually monitor this? They can't do it becasue of the data protection law!

The Flickr photo is of the dorm wall of a freshman at DePaul University. The RIAA posters presumably came from his work study in the university computer lab: "Work consists of sitting at a desk for 8 hours making sure no one comes in here and tries to jack a computer or looks at porn basically. But it pays well. That's all I care."

More importantly, did he create the TPB poster himself? If so then DePaul may need to look at its grading scale, as this student got an A in English 103.

Actually, it's kinda nice to see this guy blogging about having meaningful conversations with friends, being excited about his classes and feeling relieved to be doing better than in high school. (And using TPB "BECAUSE ITUNES SUCKS".)

And the RIAA wants people like him heavily fined or incarcerated? Seems a tad disproportionate to me.

@Nick Cocchiarella

I'm sure the UK government is trying it's damndnest to pull that one down ASAP so they can rape our private data.

Btw, has anyone actually heard of a prosecution recently to do with "illegal downloding"? I hear of the providers getting taken to court, but I'd be surprised to hear of a guy who just downloaded a lot getting ake to court - seems like beating around the bush to me.