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Schneier on SecurityA blog covering security and security technology. « Spam | Main | Major Privacy Breach at UCLA » December 12, 2006Tracking People by their SneakersResearchers at the University of Washington have demonstrated a surveillance system that automatically tracks people through the Nike+iPod Sport Kit. Basically, the kit contains a transmitter that you stick in your sneakers and a receiver you attach to your iPod. This allows you to track things like time, distance, pace, and calories burned. Pretty clever. However, it turns out that the transmitter in your sneaker can be read up to 60 feet away. And because it broadcasts a unique ID, you can be tracked by it. In the demonstration, the researchers built a surveillance device (at a cost of about $250) and interfaced their surveillance system with Google Maps. Details are in the paper. Very scary. This is a great demonstration for anyone who is skeptical that RFID chips can be used to track people. It's a good example because the chips have no personal identifying information, yet can still be used to track people. As long as the chips have unique IDs, those IDs can be used for surveillance. To me, the real significance of this work is how easy it was. The people who designed the Nike/iPod system put zero thought into security and privacy issues. Unless we enact some sort of broad law requiring companies to add security into these sorts of systems, companies will continue to produce devices that erode our privacy through new technologies. Not on purpose, not because they're evil -- just because it's easier to ignore the externality than to worry about it. Posted on December 12, 2006 at 1:11 PM • 83 Comments To receive these entries once a month by e-mail, sign up for the Crypto-Gram Newsletter. Swiss connection • December 12, 2006 1:36 PM Another scary thing: There is no security by obscurity either, once a RFID chip with a unique ID can be brought into association with your person, then, even if 9 out of 10 citizens use the Nike+iPod Sport Kit, you can be found and tracked. walking advertisment • December 12, 2006 1:41 PM think of the directed spam as a result of this.. stores purchasing such that they can names of people as they walk buy.. cross reference mailing lists.. talk about directed and timed marketing! Skate • December 12, 2006 1:43 PM The only way to insure that data remains private and secret is not to collect it in the first place and the only way to make sure that RFID data isn't collected not to have any RFID chips. Legislation can make the data collecting illegal but it can't prevent people (or the NSA) from collecting the data illegally as long as RFID chips are allowed in end user items. The only legislation that will have true privacy impact is legislation that bans RFID chips in end user items. As it is, my local library already has them in all loanable items and tries to claim that they provide more privacy than the old printed bar codes based on the idea that the checkout clerk doesn't have to carefully look at the book you are checking out. There may be a few horses out of the barn but that doesn't mean that we have to let the rest of them out... ramanan • December 12, 2006 2:00 PM You need to be within 60 feet of them for this to work, so don't you already need to be stalking them for this be a security threat? Or are you concerned about a big network of trackers being deployed in a citry? cmills • December 12, 2006 2:16 PM good point ramanan However, what bothers me is that conventional rfid chips need to be in a very close proximity of a reader in order to be read, but devices like this (presumedly powered transmitters) that are meant for other purposes broadcast much further away. Chess • December 12, 2006 2:25 PM @ramanan: I'm concerned about a big network of trackers. In five years, every store, every business with any level of inventory on hand, heck, every library is going to have RFID readers. At 60' range, that's going to be blanket coverage in a lot of areas. Davi Ottenheimer • December 12, 2006 2:30 PM Geez, I guess you can't call them sneakers anymore. On the other hand, to Chess' point, this gives new meaning to old saying "sneaker-net".... Werner Almesberger • December 12, 2006 2:30 PM RFID readers gathering all IDs they can see would make as much sense as surveillance cameras: if anything happens, you can go through the data collected, and see if you can connect any of the IDs recently captured. Since this would be even less visible than a well-hidden camera, there is little reason why banks, shops, police states, etc., wouldn't want to deploy such devices. And once they have the data, there's no telling what other uses they'll find for it ... - Werner Davi Ottenheimer • December 12, 2006 2:31 PM "The people who designed the Nike/iPod system put zero thought into security and privacy issues." I guess you haven't seen their motto: Just Do It James • December 12, 2006 2:38 PM "The people who designed the Nike/iPod system put zero thought into security and privacy issues." No the people who designed it really didnt think it would be such a big deal, which it is not honestly. In order for this to even remotely be used for tracking, you have to have a bank of sensors up, Im sorry but in five years I doubt even one major chain will have RFID trackers up in every store... why? because people have been talking about how scary this is since 1999 and guess what still only have test runs in a scant few stores because they dont really work right or are cheap enough to be used everywhere. Jesus people are paranoid. random engineer • December 12, 2006 2:44 PM If you're scared now by sneakers, prepare to be afraid, very afraid. There will be a lot more devices coming out with built-in wireless, or wireless-only operation. Two examples: Wii and Zune. If you think those won't be uniquely identifiable, think again. Even more are coming: the technology is affordable, so the value proposition is already strong. Someone should just start a web page that catalogs all these "leaky" devices, rather than just writing up occasionaly shocking articles about isolated incidents. cmills • December 12, 2006 2:48 PM "still only have test runs in a scant few stores because they dont really work right or are cheap enough to be used everywhere." Soon enough, the technology will be smaller, cheaper, and therefore ready to be mass marketed and implemented. This is the trend of all useful technology. Criminalize-It!! • December 12, 2006 2:54 PM "Unless we enact some sort of broad law requiring companies to add security into these sorts of systems, companies will continue to produce devices that erode our privacy through new technologies." Quick! Pass a law! There's no way there would be a multi-million dollar incentive for an entrepreneur to develop anti-tracking technology! And we can't wait that long! Hurry! The market will never respond fast enough! And there are NEVER externalities (hidden costs, unintended bad consequences) to illegalizing the creation of products!! Pass a law! Pass a law! (It would be different if we weren't forced to wear these sneakers, for in that case we could solve the problem by choosing not to buy that model of sneakers. But since we are forced, our privacy's being eroded!) Pass a law! Pass a law! False Data • December 12, 2006 2:59 PM "Unless we enact some sort of broad law requiring companies to add security into these sorts of systems, companies will continue to produce devices that erode our privacy through new technologies." California has one. Unfortunately, it's a little too broad. Art. I section 1 of the California Constitution: "All people are by nature free and independent and have inalienable rights. Among these are enjoying and defending life and liberty, acquiring, possessing, and protecting property, and pursuing and obtaining safety, happiness, and privacy." http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/.const/.article_1 On a wild guess, there are probably a couple problems with using it. The first is does "privacy" mean not disclosing your personal information, or does it mean the right to be left alone? The second would be showing how disclosure of that information has caused you some sort of measurable harm. Still, it might be interesting to talk with someone at the Privacy Rights Clearinghouse or the EFF about whether you could use it to go after a company. McGavin • December 12, 2006 3:00 PM "Unless we enact some sort of broad law requiring companies to add security into these sorts of systems" NO NO NO! I don't want to PAY for the cost of security in my NIKE/Ipod gadget. That is a consumer choice. It is bad business to implement security in these devices right now: people don't want it. What happened to the economics/security relationship, Bruce? Did you forget? Ben • December 12, 2006 3:01 PM This problem would be made significantly worse if the `reporting` part of the equipment (the bit in the shoe) stores historic data and allows queries from the iPod. I wonder how it easy it would be to break my old watch [ http://tinyurl.com/y3jy6q ]. I strongly suspect the `reporting` unit stores historic data [and thus must allow querying] and I doubt that data is transmitted securely. McGavin • December 12, 2006 3:03 PM "whether you could use it to go after a company" Don't go after the company, go after the spy! Peter • December 12, 2006 3:09 PM Well, first there's no way to tie those sneakers with real person. Only Mr.X can be tracked and that's not a big threat. McGavin • December 12, 2006 3:22 PM "Well, first there's no way to tie those sneakers with real person." You are thinking of mass surveillance. If I know the person (i.e. stalker), then I can tie the unique ID to the person quite easily. Devil's Advocate • December 12, 2006 3:24 PM A very interesting (and amusing) article. As Bruce says, the designers of this little gizmo did not think about security at all. This bit of the University of Washington article got me thinking about a different angle on the security aspects of the Nike+iPod: "our research shows that the wireless capabilities in this new gadget can negatively impact a consumer's personal privacy and safety." Clearly, the article is discussing the possible risks of being tracked by an attacker but perhaps there are some situations when it could be an advantage to track someone's movements using a cheap radio transmitter linked to a shoe. I am thinking of people who have to do door-to-door or other outdoor work like meter readers, health workers, police and even prostitutes! The type of system I have in mind is something like this: A device with the ability to send a distress signal including some location information if the wearer hits a panic button and/or automtically transmitts if no weight is detected on the wearers shoe after a short delay (because the wearer has been incapacitated). Possible candidates for obtaining the wearer's location for a distress signal might be a local radio receiver/transmitter like the Nike+iPod, Wifi hotspot zone, mobile phone cell networks or even GPS (not sure how bulky GPS has to be). Yes, I know, there are all sorts of technology and privacy issues to be worked out to get this idea doing something useful but I want to play the Devil's advocate for a change. P.S. P.P.S McGavin • December 12, 2006 3:32 PM "The people who designed the Nike/iPod system put zero thought into security and privacy issues."
UCAV • December 12, 2006 3:51 PM "NO NO NO! I don't want to PAY for the cost of security in my NIKE/Ipod gadget. That is a consumer choice. It is bad business to implement security in these devices right now: people don't want it." Instead of "people don't want it" don't you mean "people don't know or care"? The same argument could be made for cigarette warnings. People didn't demand those, but they serve a purpose. Proposed RFID warning: "Side effects may include dizziness, nausea, panopticonism, and targeted advertising." Steve Loughran • December 12, 2006 3:52 PM I dont think we should be picking on nike. I ran an experiment at my house with a linux laptop and a class i bluetooth node, scanning and logging every discoverable bluetooth device that came in range. with a 30s scan cycle, it could catch everyone walking past. As I live on a main road in a european city, I collected a lot of data. Especially as I ran the experiment for a year. I havent yet done a full analysis. But I will say that some people go past my front door at ten minutes to nine, every weekday, plus or minus one minute. Predictably. And they publish that fact to all bluetooth nodes nearby. McGavin • December 12, 2006 3:54 PM "Instead of "people don't want it" don't you mean "people don't know or care"?"
-ac- • December 12, 2006 4:12 PM Think malls, airports, courts, parking lots, cafes and nightclubs. Think grand central station. Think of any public place with a congestion/"security" point through which all traffic has to pass. Now think of this scary scenario: An RFID tag is placed on a diplomat, spy, policitical candidate, witness, informant, etc. The target walks in the cafe and 2 minutes (or 2 seconds) later the bomb goes off. Think: an RFID tag is planted on a well-dressed businessman/woman on the subway. Or on the wall of the car itself. The bomb in the subway tunnel is activated with devastating precision. If you allow another disruptive technology "out there" you have to defend against it. Don't let it out there and save us the trouble. Please. Roy • December 12, 2006 4:15 PM That figure of 60 feet is not a limit, only a waypoint. The dilution due to distance is an inverse square law. I don't know the carrier frequency involved here, but if it's microwave there'd be no problem building (or buying?) a high-gain antenna. And if the antenna were a phased-array microwave, you might not be able to tell what it is by looking at it. Thus range is a function of your budget. PassTheBuck • December 12, 2006 4:15 PM "Unless we enact some sort of broad law requiring companies to add security into these sorts of systems, companies will continue to produce devices that erode our privacy through new technologies." Good idea. For instance, what if you're driving home from your ex-girlfriend's one afternoon, and one of your wife's friends spots you through the transparent side window of your car! Better pass a law requiring car manufacturers to provide shading capability to all windows in all autos. After all, it's THEIR responsibility to protect your privacy! Or what if you're standing in line at a convenience store, and someone else in line notices the titles of the magazines you have in hand, which you intend to buy. Well, your reading habits are certainly no business of theirs. Better require all convenience stores to wrap magazines in an opaque cover with no title, or at least forbid publishers from printing any type of photo on the cover of the magazine, so no one else can see what you're perusing. After all, it's THEIR responsibility to protect your privacy! Or what if you're watching TV at home, and you turn up the volume so loud that your neighbors can hear the show you're watching? Well, your TV viewing habits are no business of theirs. Better require TV manufacturers to limit the decibel output of all TVs to about one-third of current volume limit, or at least require construction companies to build only sound-proof walls in all houses and apartment buildings. After all, it's THEIR responsibility to protect your privacy! Making bad decisions shouldn't be YOUR fault. Nor should anything bad every happen to you as a result of your choice to go out into public. Pass on the costs to companies. After all, your privacy is their responsibility. (Note: no surveillance device whatsoever is required for the 'privacy-violator' in any of these cases, which hints that it's even easier and cheaper to violate privacy in a myriad of similar ways. Someone must pay! Who's got the money to pay? Companies! Sock it to 'em!) Roy • December 12, 2006 4:15 PM That figure of 60 feet is not a limit, only a waypoint. The dilution due to distance is an inverse square law. I don't know the carrier frequency involved here, but if it's microwave there'd be no problem building (or buying?) a high-gain antenna. And if the antenna were a phased-array microwave, you might not be able to tell what it is by looking at it. Thus range is a function of your budget. Tim • December 12, 2006 4:22 PM This is nothing new - my heart rate monitor has a unique ID (to prevent cross-talk with the other HRMs at the gym) and can be read from a distance. So it would be pretty easy to track me as I go on my daily run, assuming that sensors were already set up along the route that I take. It would be a lot easier to track me using the cell phone that is always in my pocket. pfogg • December 12, 2006 4:31 PM "Unless we enact some sort of broad law requiring companies to add security into these sorts of systems, companies will continue to produce devices that erode our privacy through new technologies."
In the sneakers case, such a scenario might involve the sneakers becoming popular, a single dramatic case of a stalker using the information somehow (probably in only a marginally helpful way, due to the 60 foot limit), and then Congress placing restrictions on any electronics capable of operating on the relevant radio frequencies. Also, Werner Almesberger has a point -- if there are enough RFID tags in things, then an intentionally deployed, general purpose 'RFID monitor' net might be proposed as a law enforcement/security enhancement in public areas (since people are less likely to be sensitive about 'anonymous' tags, it might be an easier sell than cameras). Thornton • December 12, 2006 4:47 PM Please do not suggest yet another reactionary law. People do not have to buy the shoes. If they do and later discover they are being tracked, they can throw away the shows. Realist • December 12, 2006 5:01 PM This is truly an instance where consumers "can vote with their feet" by not purchasing these products... PassTheBuck • December 12, 2006 5:09 PM See? Thornton and Realist see it clearly. Why does Schneier always use law as a first resort? It's as if he gives lip service to "the market" but doesn't believe a word he himself says. Anonymous • December 12, 2006 5:50 PM For the people who haven't been paying attention, Bruce is generally in favor of laws which force companies to not ignore security consequences. He's in favor of legislation that would hold companies liable for security failures (i.e. force liability insurance). This should not come as a surprise to anyone. He's been in favor of security liability for a long time, at least a year or so. I'm not saying he's right about this, nor am I saying he's wrong about it, all I'm saying is that some commenters could benefit from reading more than just one or two of Bruce's posts. Anonymous • December 12, 2006 5:53 PM @ Devil's Advocate There are already plenty of alarm technologies that do this. For example, consider a repurposed personal avalanche beacon, as can be bought at REI or any decent sports store. There's also cell phones with GPS (and other devices with GPS). I really don't see much advantage to deploying another technology to do this, esp not one with such short range, and esp not for such life-critical uses. Craig Hughes • December 12, 2006 5:59 PM Note that the 60-ft range is using what appears to be an omni-directional antenna (antenna details aren't discussed in the paper). With a higher-gain directional antenna (given that people normally don't walk through walls and things, and tend to stay with the feet near the ground, a directional antenna would likely work pretty well in lots of cases), I bet you could extend the range significantly without much trouble at all. Glenn Maynard • December 12, 2006 6:49 PM "Unless we enact some sort of broad law requiring companies to add security into these sorts of systems, companies will continue to produce devices that erode our privacy through new technologies." Legal restrictions are a solution far worse than the erosion of privacy it would attempt to prevent. Don't restrict my freedom (to create, sell and purchase goods) in order to protect my privacy. Don't turn to the government to solve every problem. Educate the public, don't restrict the public. Roxanne • December 12, 2006 6:55 PM So every inmate will be issued a pair of these shoes upon release from prison, eh? Sex offenders will be required to wear them. Sensors will be mounted outside of malls and elementary schools. Personal safety advocates will applaud their use. Tell me: Are they allowed on airplanes? :-) PassTheBuck • December 12, 2006 7:42 PM "[Bruce Schneier is] in favor of legislation that would hold companies liable for security failures..." Oh we're aware he's in favor of that type of legislation. The question is WHY is he in favor of that type of legislation, and why as a first resort, when he claims to be "in favor of market capitalism"? Is he purposely disingenuous (doubtful)? Is he unaware of the conflict between those two alternatives (possible)? Does he simply believe that statism is the best political philosophy for our society (probable)? He's like a cowboy from the Wild West of Big Government, with an Enact-A-Broad-Law six-shooter on his hip. And that trigger finger is itchy. Itchy, my friend. Like a prickly wool sweater on a humid Southeast Asian summer day at high noon (cue Clint Eastwood whistle music.) And he don't take kindly to them company varmits. They ain't no match for this new Sheriff. So they best be ridin' on outta town, lest they find themselves strung up on a BroadLaw, I reckon. Devil's Advocate • December 12, 2006 9:02 PM @PassTheBuck "Why does Schneier always use law as a first resort?" Certainly it is always good to question Bruce's assertions but I suggest that Bruce has consistently argues for privacy laws that address the fundamental underlying privacy problems we face in the future instead of specific technologies. I find his ideas quite (devilishly) good. @Roxanne "So every inmate will be issued a pair of these shoes ..." Regretably, I can see a future in which not 'volunteering' to wear some sort of tracking device is considered a sign that you have something to hide. I mean all of us, especially those of us who want a professional job, career, position of trust/influence. The mavericks in our society may be marginalised. @Anonymous "some commenters could benefit from reading more than just one or two of Bruce's posts." Don't worry about those who read the posts; practically by definition, they are above the average in understanding the issues (you may commence the feel good glow right now!). The real challenge is to get average ordinary citizens (consumers) thinking about security. @Anonymous "There are already plenty of alarm technologies that do this." Thanks. Perhaps I am behind the times (again). Your comment is encouraging in the sense that it suggests that there is a reasonable solution available to vulnerable workers. One of the reasons I made my post on this blog topic is an emerging story of a serial killer in Ipswitch, UK, who preys upon street prostitutes. It seems to me that there must be a way to improve local personal security, within a reasonable budget, by using more tracking technologies. quincunx • December 12, 2006 10:16 PM @ Devil's Advocate "Thanks. Perhaps I am behind the times (again). Your comment is encouraging in the sense that it suggests that there is a reasonable solution available to vulnerable workers. One of the reasons I made my post on this blog topic is an emerging story of a serial killer in Ipswitch, UK, who preys upon street prostitutes. It seems to me that there must be a way to improve local personal security, within a reasonable budget, by using more tracking technologies." It's amazing that you have not considered that there is a more reasonable solution, something that requires no budget at all: Stop making it illegal. Stop outlawing brothels. That's the reason they are on the street in the first place! You are just suggesting another intervention on behalf of old intervention. "Certainly it is always good to question Bruce's assertions but I suggest that Bruce has consistently argues for privacy laws that address the fundamental underlying privacy problems we face in the future instead of specific technologies. I find his ideas quite (devilishly) good." Yeah, it's too bad he doesn't address the even more fundamental laws that create the need to have new ones. Andrew • December 12, 2006 10:38 PM At ASIS one of the most popular devices was a combination GPS/cell phone that could geo-fence people into certain areas. Tracking position, speed etc. http://microtrakgps.com/ The idea is to make your security guards wear it on the job, so you know they're not speeding with the company truck, sleeping on the job (lack of motion) or going off site (leaving the geofence). It is now for sale at Sharper Image for $500. You can make employees have it on their modern Verizon phones for considerably cheaper. The privacy implications are outrageous. It's one thing for my employer to control my time when I'm on the clock. Yet another when I am off the clock -- let alone all the time, which is what some companies are going to want to do. We don't need a law to protect consumers. We do need a law to protect workers, who are a vulnerable population because they need them paychecks. Anonymous • December 12, 2006 11:10 PM @ Devil's Advocate Only in a kindergarten. If the only secuirty you can think of is the technological equivalent of a cop on every corner, you should just skip the technology and instead put a cop on every corner. Don't forget to account for the budgent, personnel, and administrative costs. the other Greg • December 13, 2006 1:12 AM We used to have "a cop on every corner". They were called neighbours. Now we have neighbours who are strangers, and cops who are not neighbours harrassing neighbourhoods where neighbours are still neighbours. Not to mention technologies claimed to be a lot cheaper than any of the above.
jay • December 13, 2006 3:03 AM Good thing is, If someone steals it you will be able to track it down your self. Should be done before the thief gets beyond 60 feet away from the victim :) Ben • December 13, 2006 5:14 AM @Anonymous, "who buys this crap anyhow?" @Roxanne, "So every inmate will be issued a pair of these shoes ..." @Andrew, take a look at the Active Badge experiment. hasp • December 13, 2006 6:04 AM Forget about the nike shoes and think about a supermarket. If every product is registered with an unique RFID, it would be very simple (and very interessting) to track the path of every customer through the racks. As addon you could easily connect creditcard-information with the unique rfid-ids ... the paper shows only that the costs are acceptable if somebody is interessted in such data (i think every supermarket-manager is) .... Anonymous • December 13, 2006 7:19 AM @hasp I think it was IBM that ran a series of TV adds that had a bod with a long dark jacket wandering around a supermarket apparently shop lifting (ie hiding things inside his jacket). The punch line was when the bod left the security gaurd came up to him with his recipt and thanked him for his custom... So people have already thought about it quite seriously enough to invest a very large sum in advertising budget. Devil's Advocate • December 13, 2006 7:46 AM @quincunx "Stop making it illegal." That's a poltical/moral question. @Anonymous "If the only secuirty you can think of is the technological equivalent of a cop on every corner, you should just skip the technology and instead put a cop on every corner." Your comment seems a bit defeatist to me. I suggest that we should all take some responsibility for our actions, including security decisions. Don't rely on the police or authority figure to do everything for you. C Gomez • December 13, 2006 7:46 AM I'd hate to see government enact a law providing bare minimum "standards" for privacy, just to see companies just uphold that minimum and declare their job is done. As a consumer, I'll sort out the products that invade my privacy. JohnJ • December 13, 2006 9:43 AM Well, now that passports from many governments are RFID-enabled, the government will have an incentive to deploy a net of readers. The reasoning will be a need to track those visiting the US to monitor for terror activities. Doesn't matter that it's not effective for it; that'll be the selling point. The government net will start at federal offices/buildings but will quickly spread to airports, train stations, post offices, and other places on the critical infrastructure list. Then it will expand to include libraries and other state/local government facilities. By this time all government ID badges will be tagged, as will PCs, vehicles, and most any portable government property. Gotta track the assets, doncha know. While this is happening, RFID will become cheaper to deploy and will show up in many consumer products. Of course, to further reduce theft retailers will deploy RFID to replace or supplement the current scanners at exit points that look for goods being stolen. As tags are unique, an API in to the retail system will show if unsold merchandise is leaving. It'll also show when existing customers return to the store wearing the tagged clothing they bought there, letting floor salespeople know who to pay more attention to. Sometime later an event will trigger major office buildings and shopping malls to add such detectors at major entries and intersections. Tagged frequent shopper cards will replace the barcode/magstripe cards allowing targeted ads to be displayed to frequent shoppers as they enter and browse a store. Readers deployed at major traffic intersections, again to "monitor for terrorist movement", and on interstate on/off ramps will track movement at the gross level. They could replace traffic cams and be used to send tickets to those who are speeding. And because a subset of your tags always move together, all it really takes is just one of the 47 tagged items you carry with you to have an actual association with you to cause the whole chain to know that it's you who is moving about and not some anonymous John Q. Public. Aaron • December 13, 2006 9:56 AM I agree with some above posters. Is anyone really worried about this Nike product? You're worried people will know that you're working out? You're already in plain sight, and probably on video surveillance cameras. If you are worried, you'd better power down your cell phone and wireless laptop. Reretired • December 13, 2006 12:10 PM Which brings me to ask, "Does one have the right to be somewhere where he can't be found?" Is surreptecious tagging of an individual a violation of law? or civil rights? Does law inforcement need a warrent? Has this ever been challenged? cmills • December 13, 2006 12:36 PM @ devil's advocate That sounds just like the propaganda that the government would put out to justify such intrusive measures of surveillance. X the Unknown • December 13, 2006 12:37 PM @Criminalize-It!!: "Quick! Pass a law! There's no way there would be a multi-million dollar incentive for an entrepreneur to develop anti-tracking technology! And we can't wait that long! Hurry! The market will never respond fast enough! And there are NEVER externalities (hidden costs, unintended bad consequences) to illegalizing the creation of products!! Pass a law! Pass a law!" If our experience with the RIAA is any indication, the laws most likely to be passed are those which prohibit disabling of such technology. Then, the entrepreneurial incentive devolves to black-market law-breakers. Davi Ottenheimer • December 13, 2006 12:56 PM "Is anyone really worried about this Nike product? " More worried about people buying something without realizing the risks. The examples given above of transparent windows, magazine titles...what's missing is the sophistication of the risks that are virtually impossible for a reasonable consumer to measure and understand. There are many examples of this, transfats included. As a consumer you often are in a position where you have to believe someone else's assessment of risk, as there is no feasible/reasonable way to do it yourself. In other words, do you believe the FDA, doctors, politicians, lawyers, the security experts...or do you give up your day job to gain the skills, experience and qualifications to measure the risks yourself? Tibboh • December 13, 2006 1:52 PM I think that the 'stalking' aspect is being overplayed. 1. As I understand it, the sensor is not an RFID tag like those being used for stock control (where the reader challenges the tag, and records the response). I would guess that in-store RFID readers would not detect or record the Nike sensor. 2. The mapping of a tag's movement reflects the tag being detected by detectors at known fixed points. It may be possible to build an antenna that detects the tag 2km away, but the only information that provides is that the tag is somewhere within a 2km radius of the detector (a 12.5sqkm area). I guess that triangulation from a detector network would be possible. 3. Given the cheap 60' radius detectors built as proof of principle ($250 each), it would be possible to deploy a large number to track a victim - if you know where they're going to be. If you want to track somebody throughout a city, that's a lot of detectors (and a large cash outlay). quincunx • December 13, 2006 3:10 PM @ Devil's Advocate "That's a poltical/moral question. So you want to use technology, even though there is a simpler solution? A solution that will genuinely protect the personal security of those concerned, rather than creating externalities for others. In all honesty your response to Anon shows that you don't really care about using technology to improve personal security, you are simply interested in using technology, period. Technocractic fetishism is what I call it. derf • December 13, 2006 3:13 PM Just make sure you microwave all of your clothing before wearing it in public. Can we get a microwave emitter installed in the clothes dryer? Wouldn't that speed the drying process while protecting our security? Devil's Advocate • December 13, 2006 3:45 PM @cmills I see what you're getting at but I did say "there are all sorts of technology and privacy issues" in my post. Are you aware that people with jobs that involve visiting the public already have systems that track their location e.g. police will radio colleagues to say if they are visiting a house, especially alone; if they don't radio back after a set time, backup will be sent immediately. The Ipswitch Serial Killer story is a particularly lurid one that might be used by a politician to push through somebody's pet surveillance project but the fact is 5 people with a risky occupation have been killed in 10 days; if they had some system for tracking their whereabouts they may have been a bit safer.
"Technocractic fetishism" LOL I am interested in technology and this is a great blog for some technology topics. I don't see why being interested in technology makes me technocratic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technocratic_movement). "even though there is a simpler solution?" Sure, sometimes hi-tech is not best but that is not what I wanted to discuss and legalising brothels is definitely nothing to do with the blog topic. Ctrl-Alt-Del • December 13, 2006 6:58 PM Such casual monitoring is actually more worrying than ID cards or chips in passports. What's more, forget 60 feet. Beyond about three metres (10 feet) the range of these things is not important, as a typical misuse would be to harvest all tags passing certain choke points such as doors or gates, and to dump the locations, tags and timestamps into a database. "They" don't care who owns each tag, and everyone passing that point will be less than three metres from the reader. If a certain tag becomes of interest, "They" probably have enough collateral information from e.g. cameras, mobile phones, etc, to identify the wearer. Or working the other way, knowing the wearer, they can use the database to reconstruct the person's movements. The intended benign purpose of the chips is irrelevant, and the "They" can be anyone - government, company, criminal. You will have no privacy and you'll be prey for the first predator that wants you. The predator's motives may be relatively benign (stock-keeping, targeted advertising) or sinister (identity fraud or profiling) but they won't have your privacy or your best interests as their first priority - even if they claim they do. Passing a law won't stop this. Any security added to these things will use the cheapest standard that meets legal requirements - and will be ineffective by the time the ink is dry on the statutes. Banning all transmitters and RFID tags won't work, either - too many loopholes and "special cases", too much money and power will be behind them. Answers? Well, ensure that "deactivating" such tags is never criminalised. I like derf's solution: "microwave all of your clothing before wearing it in public". Don't buy keen-o electronic sports kits whose emissions are remotely identifiable. Turn off that handy "other bluetooth devices can discover me" feature on your phone. You can't make yourself invisible in the surveillance society, but you can lower your profile and hope to be overlooked. Tom Davis • December 13, 2006 7:25 PM This particular paper was specific to the Nike/iPod tracking potential, and this blog has illicited other tracking possibilities including RFID and Bluetooth. Bruce has suggested that a law be passed. A law that would prevent the emmission of informative radiation signatures (including device identifiers in packet form or with unique analog characteristics) would, on the surface, prevent the use of most electronic devices. This is due in part to the nature of automatically configuring systems such as bluetooth which must in some way signal their existence and identity in order to interoperate without significant user interaction. Additionally, many interoperating standards allow enough flexibility in implementation that specific manufacturers and in some cases specific models can be identified [ http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/09/... ]. And of course because of imperfect manufacturing processes, it is probable that specific sets of radio frequency emmissions (including unintentional emmissions from electronic devices like computer screens, or hard disk motors) could also be used to uniquely identify the human carrying the device or a particular set of devices. And of course that's today's technology. In the very near future we can expect to see the development of better face recognition software or possibly even of systems that would allow the identification of people walking through a store by measuring the sound of footsteps on the floor and correlating that to the credit cards swiped at the checkout counter. Together, that means that outlawing the broadcast of unique identifiers would not be effective, and would certainly not be popular as it would require the loss of ease-of-use with many products. So the nature of the law would necessarily be something prohibiting the gathering of the information rather than its transmission. In the Nike/iPod case, that would mean that the designers would never have needed to consider security/privacy at all, but that the researchers would be liable for prosecution, as most likely would Bruce for linking to any such study. On the other hand, there are no doubt people out there brighter than me who could come up with wording of a useful bill which could conceivably be passed. I would especially appreciate if some of you who do support legislation on this issue would come up with such a bill and maybe see if you could get some feedback from the Groklaw community. I would certainly trust a law created in such a manner more than one written by law school students interning on Capitol Hill with input exclusively from electronics manufacturers and passed by politicians without any expertise in security or radio frequency electronics. ps: Please be mindful that the RFID tag in a shirt at Walmart is identifying Walmart property until after the customer has actually paid for the item. The law would hopefully not prevent Walmart from using electronic devices to reduce shoplifting. quincunx • December 13, 2006 8:13 PM @ Devil's Advocate "LOL OK, I understand. I in no way meant to imply that you actually sympathize with the formal technocratic movement. The technology is already beneficial, otherwise no one would be buying it. "If that makes me a fetishist then I'm in good company." Some like to solve security issues by addressing the fundamentals, not coming up with patchwork solutions. "Sure, sometimes hi-tech is not best but that is not what I wanted to discuss and legalising brothels is definitely nothing to do with the blog topic." Sure it is. They too can use technology to conduct their business in a beneficial manner. Where is the concern for technology here? Good technology should solve a practical problem created by natural circumstance. Bad technology aims at addressing problems caused by artificial circumstances, only to inflict worse problems on others. Roger • December 13, 2006 11:12 PM A few thoughts: 0. Who will be using this? So 95% of the time, this will be used by moderately serious joggers, only whilst jogging. 1. Do people care about security? I don't think it's true that "ordinary people" never consider security issues. They may not think of them as pervasively as us, and they may often miss the subtler implications, but they do think about it. In cases like this, the reason they often come up with different evaluations is simply less exacting standards. We can imagine scenarios where this device would be a severe security flaw. For example, if an undercover cop was using his morning jog to meet a narcotics informant, installing this device in his shoe could be disastrous. For a celebrity trying to exercise whilst incognito in a heavily trafficked public place, it could occasionally be a bit of a problem, although hardly a disaster. But for the average casual jogger, it really is no big deal. 2. Does it store/broadcast historical information? 3. Security from stalkers. Saponas et al. also suggest that a "jealous boyfriend" would be able to obtain the UID of another kit which regularly jogged with his girlfriend. Maybe, but once again, so what? If a jogger jogs with one or more regular partners, that partner selection is most probably made on the basis of being free at similar hours of the day, and having similar splits (and the difficulty of finding such a partner is the reason most joggers run solo most of the time). That's all. If running splits make your eyes glaze over, the information that UID D853E12F has similar splits to your girlfriend is probably not of very much interest. Now, if the jealous boyfriend actually planted himself on the known route at about the known time, he would actually see who UID D853E12F is. That might be a much bigger deal. But he can do that even if the iPod sports kit had never been invented. Even if a person does wear the transmitter continuously, a vast number of bugs would be required to obtain any useful information, unless the stalker already knows the victim's habits intimately -- in which case, the surveillance is largely pointless. For perspective, I did some BotE calculations on how much it would cost to completely monitor all my local routes and amenities in order to determine my habits -- assuming I had an iPod sports kit, and wore it at all times, which has near zero probability. With a 20 m radius outdoors, and $250 lowest cost per monitor, it comes in to around a quarter of million bucks to spy on me in just my local neighbourhood. If you spent all that money on sensors instead of PIs with a discreet car, it's wasted as soon as I get in a vehicle and head out of the neighbourhood. Which segues nicely into the next point: 4. Pervasive readers/tracking networks. 5. Binding customer identity to UID: 6. Mugging: the real issue. The reason has absolutely nothing to do with the sports kit. It is for two reasons: firstly, iPods are visible, highly tempting targets, with high black market resale values. This has a particular severe effect on jogger safety, since joggers otherwise carry nothing of any appreciable resale value (the shoes might be expensive, but they don't retain value very well!) Secondly, listening to loud music while walking or jogging along the street shuts down your body's 360° alert system: hearing. With your iPod on, you will not be aware of threats unless they are within your line of sight. So I strongly caution people not to jog with an iPod unless they can do so in an area that is both reasonably secure and off limits to vehicular traffic. Now, Saponas et al. suggest that the sports kit will actually increase this risk. Their argument is that even if the iPod itself is concealed (by wearing generic headphones), a mugger can detect the transmitter and deduce that an iPod may be present. There is some rather curious logic in this argument. In all of their previous examples, it was taken as granted that the sports kit transmitter will be present and transmitting at all times, even if the iPod is not present. Now instead its transmissions are being taken as proof that an iPod _is_ present. In fact, the hypothetical mugger is now carrying around an expensive an elaborate device -- a device which a police officer might well find suspicious -- on the grounds that detecting a sensor chip will be a more reliable indicator of the presence of an iPod than simply guessing that black earphones might be camouflage. Well, maybe. I, for one, will continue to simply eschew iPods altogether when jogging on the street.
____ Podophile • December 14, 2006 2:06 AM "Some of the comments on this thread seem to suggest that readers imagine lots of people wearing this device all the time. That is unlikely. It is intended to be used by joggers, whilst they jog, to help monitor one's training schedule." Thank you. The Nike shoes that accommodate the sensor are relatively high-end running shoes... not casual street shoes. It's unlikely that many people are wearing these shoes for anything other than jogging. If you're planning to wear your running shoes out on the town, and are concerned about being tracked, the sensor is easily removable from the shoe... it's not secretly built-in somehow. Also of note, you don't need the special Nike shoes to use the Nike+iPod Sport Kit. It is easily attached to any pair of running shoes, as demonstrated here: Ben • December 14, 2006 9:16 AM As a marathon runner who owns a pair of running shoes and forerunner 201 (GPS) watch I can confirm that I *only* ever wear my training kit whilst training. Why? Well I only need them whilst training! Why would I carry around a device which records my trip, reports my speed, time, distance, and more when I'm not training. @Roger, excellent comments. I also agree that running with music can be dangerous since it lowers your awareness. This may put the runner and fellow pedestrians at risk, not just to muggings, but collisions (with cars, cyclists, pedestrians, dogs, ...) and therefore injury. Fetishit (aka Devil's Advocate) • December 14, 2006 2:00 PM @quincunx "Some like to solve security issues by addressing the fundamentals, not coming up with patchwork solutions." That's seems like a good way to start thinking about security concerns but you have to temper the 'Save the World' solutions with a bit of pragmatism and common sense. To take your suggestion that we should decriminalise sex workers, that is a tricky thing to achieve (in my country) that would probably require a political campaign lasting years with no guarantee of success. If you wish to go down that route then good luck (really). While we are waiting for the world to be saved, perhaps we could think about other ideas that are not as grand but might be of benefit now. For most systems (computer, societal or whatever) when they started there may have been a chance to address the fundamentals of the system. Consider yourself lucky if you get a chance like that for anything important. Normally, we have to live with what we've got and try changing it bit by bit to make it better (patchwork solution) because there is no other way. "They too can use technology to conduct their business in a beneficial manner." OK. Do you have any specific ideas about this? quincunx • December 14, 2006 6:57 PM "That's seems like a good way to start thinking about security concerns but you have to temper the 'Save the World' solutions with a bit of pragmatism and common sense." I am applying common sense. Don't fix what isn't broken. Fix the thing that is. "To take your suggestion that we should decriminalise sex workers, that is a tricky thing to achieve (in my country) that would probably require a political campaign lasting years with no guarantee of success." Oh so because it's so damn difficult to do it formally we should just as readily accept a hodge podge solution that affects an even larger portion of the population, while probably doing nothing to solve the genuine problem? Well guess what, we will get more of the same, only next time it will be even more difficult to remove the legislation. "Normally, we have to live with what we've got and try changing it bit by bit to make it better (patchwork solution) because there is no other way." My contention is that it will hardly fix things, and creates new problems in the wake. Better to strike at the root of branch than directing the leaves upward & outward. "OK. Do you have any specific ideas about this?" How the sex trade can use tech? Well if it was legal, they could become even more mobile. They can actually hire nice pimps. There will not be poor quality black market pimps, since there will be no stigma and no police on your back. Tracking the ladies (using perhaps these sneakers) by private pimps can be a good way to keep the ladies safe. Emergency response can also be improved by same method. People in high risk jobs will opt for being tracked to a comfortable degree. It may attract some stalkers, but a determined stalker does not need fancy tech to do what he does. IndoorLBS • December 18, 2006 10:33 PM This is a great example of a Local Positioning System (non-GPS based) and deserves to be featued at http://www.indoorLBS.com with the other alternative and complimentary technologies to GPS. Cypherpunk • December 19, 2006 10:08 PM 1) I wonder where Bruce stands with regard to the legality, privacy and security issues of hiring a PI to follow someone and record their every move. It's a pretty clear invasion of privacy, but totally legal. It definitely falls under the umbrella of privacy advocates' cry for the right to control one's own information. 2) Nike sport kit is not the same as RFID. Retailers are not required to tell you if they've put a chip on their products, and you aren't required to use your sneakers to travel or purchase anything. You know you're carrying the sneakers. You don't have to either buy or wear the sneakers. 3) I am suspicious of the motives for doing and reporting on this work. There have been technologies which are meant secretly record people, invading their privacy and potentially compromising their security for a very long time (never mind things like going thru someone's trash or just, following them). Determined criminals and the government are not deterred by mere laws. Nobody's jumping up and down about these because it's not news and everyone's not running around with white earbuds for their X10 audio recorders. Check out the following link for an example: http://spycorner.net/index.php?... 4) Bruce, you are awfully glib about tossing out an accusation as if it were a fact, that people gave "zero thought" to the issues. You sound awfully sure of yourself. Did you even try to contact Apple for comment? Bruce Schneier • December 20, 2006 10:55 AM @ Cypherpunk: 1) It's certainly legal. These issues are very nuanced. I am more concerned with what I call wholesale surveillance -- the automatic tracking of large numbers of people -- than I am with the hiring of a single private invetigator to track one person. But I know the issues are not easy or straightforward. 2) RFID is turning into the catch-all word for "self-powered chip that broadcasts stuff." I've long given up differentiating between the different flavors of the technology, because the privacy/security issues are the same. 3) Agreed that these technologies are not new. What is new is their commonality. Soon everyone will have them. What I want is for there to be a policy discussion of the privacy implications of these technologies, rather than just letting them happen. 4) There were some pretty obvious, and easy, things the developers could have done to protect privacy if they wanted to. No, I didn't call Apple. Apple would tell me that the engineers paid a lot of attention to privacy; what do you think they would say? The proof is in the result, though. They didn't do anything to protect privacy, even obvious and easy things. Cypherpunk • December 20, 2006 2:59 PM @Bruce You have no logical basis for making an absolute claim like that because, for example, you don't know what features may have been rejected with respect to privacy/security. One needs first hand information from the people who worked on the product in order for this statement to be valid. Setting rhetorical nitpicks aside, I'd like you to address the other points I made in comment 2). I think that intended use and type of implementation is a reasonable way to distinguish among products that broadcast a unique ID, particularly with respect to privacy and security concerns. Do you feel that this product in particular actually poses a real risk to people's privacy and security, and if so, why? Do you propose a law banning products like the Nike sport kit, or strictly regulating how such technology can be implemented in general, and if the latter, what would you suggest? Paul Vincent • January 16, 2007 10:11 AM They will have to get within 60 feet of me first. ....and I'm fast! Peakcrew • January 17, 2007 4:39 PM I hoped someone would answer Reretired's post from 13th Dec: '"Does one have the right to be somewhere where he can't be found?" Is surreptecious tagging of an individual a violation of law? or civil rights? Does law inforcement need a warrent? Has this ever been challenged?' No-one did, so I'll have a go. In a free country, one which has liberties, the answer must be, yes, a person only has the duty to explain his/her actions to anyone else if they are suspected of doing something illegal, and measures of due process are invoked by properly appointed members of the law enforcement community. No-one has to explain their whereabouts to anyone else, whether that be a spouse, employer, or whoever, though it is often prudent to do so! However, surreptitious surveillance is not illegal in most western countries - private detectives make a good living out of doing exactly that (though there may be a licencing scheme in place). As far as I know, as a legal academic with research interests in privacy law, there have been no legal challenges to surreptitious surveillance in the common-law countries, though there should have been - now is probably too late, as courts are pragmatic institutions, and don't usually make decisions to upset the status quo! peakcrew • January 17, 2007 4:40 PM I hoped someone would answer Reretired's post from 13th Dec: '"Does one have the right to be somewhere where he can't be found?" Is surreptecious tagging of an individual a violation of law? or civil rights? Does law inforcement need a warrent? Has this ever been challenged?' No-one did, so I'll have a go. In a free country, one which has liberties, the answer must be, yes, a person only has the duty to explain his/her actions to anyone else if they are suspected of doing something illegal, and measures of due process are invoked by properly appointed members of the law enforcement community. No-one has to explain their whereabouts to anyone else, whether that be a spouse, employer, or whoever, though it is often prudent to do so! However, surreptitious surveillance is not illegal in most western countries - private detectives make a good living out of doing exactly that (though there may be a licencing scheme in place). As far as I know, as a legal academic with research interests in privacy law, there have been no legal challenges to surreptitious surveillance in the common-law countries, though there should have been - now is probably too late, as courts are pragmatic institutions, and don't usually make decisions to upset the status quo! Put it away • February 5, 2007 3:28 PM Uhhhh, you're worried about something that can "track" you from no further than 60 feet away ? If you're going to be that close to the target with your RFID detecting gadget you might as well leave it at home and follow them by sight. Seth • April 9, 2009 9:06 AM Ummm... yea like the person above me said. If you can only track a person from 60 feet away, you can see them anyway. There is no reason to be scared of using this device, or "buying shoes." You should be more worried about the gps devices in phones, not a device that you yourself have to place in your shoe and can only be traced from 60 feet away. C'mon people... little paranoid aren't we? Clive Robinson • April 9, 2009 9:44 AM @ Seth, Put it away, It might only have been 60ft a year or so ago but as with all these things the range can be extended with various methods. The other thing is that you are assuming that it is a person doing the tracking not a network of intercommunicating "listening posts" at street corners etc. One of the problems with technology and the times we live in is that if you can do it and you can get a "war on terror" marketing angle on it you probably have better than even chances of making money on it... And once somebody has bought something they have to justify the expenditure by using it...
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