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Clive Robonson • October 5, 2026 10:27 AM

@ Bruce, ALL,

We talk about security by obscurity

But not with encryption systems.

Now AI is getting to the point older codes and ciphers are getting broken we should think that “obscurity” is not the right word to use for codes and ciphers.

People should ask a question about both codes and ciphers especially of the older styles.

“What can not change through the whole process?”

And the answer is the “statistics” of the plaintext and ciphertext, otherwise you would not be able to decipher the ciphertext back to plaintext.

What we know is that Current AI LLM systems are built around so called “Digital Neural Networks”(DNNs) that are in reality just glorified “Digital Signal Processing”(DSP) systems configured as “adaptive filters”.

The thing about filters is they are very good at “lifting signals out of the noise”. Adaptive filters are very good at lifting signals out of background noise that changes constantly but in a predictable way.

Keytext in older ciphers often had a period the same length as the password/phrase used to generate the Keytext. And due to the failings of humans this was often quite short and mostly either around ten characters or less in length or a well known phrase. This remained true up untill and through WWII and was still used via hand ciphers by spys or simple mechanical machine ciphers up untill the 1980’s when the first microcontrollers with sufficient grunt became available.

Thus as plaintext has recognisable statistics even when combined with a keytext of recognisable ststistics (see chi-squared test).

We can expect Current AI LLM’s in an agenetic framework to basically pull out the desired signals.

Thus the only cipher systems we should expect to have some security are those where there is either no periodicity in the key text or the workload is many orders of magnitude greater than even large teams of humans can perform.

In short Current AI LLMs are going to be “on desktops” in the not to distant future, and with them your own “Pocket SigInt Agency”.

cybershow • October 6, 2026 6:00 AM

@Clive

Surely you’re not suggesting DSP isn’t already glorious Clive?
I offer something like the Yamaha DX7 (the beauty of Chowning’s FM)
as an example of 1980s glory 🙂

Clive Robinson • October 6, 2026 12:03 PM

@ cybershow, ALL,

With regards,

“Surely you’re not suggesting DSP isn’t already glorious Clive?”

It is at the end of the day just technology, without soul or real creativity…

Back in the very early 1980’s I did some work on a Prime Mini-Computer which was little more than “playing with Z transforms in various formats.

The real hard part was designing a device that would encode audio via an Apple ][ into a semi-compressed format that could be shoved down an RS232 Serial Line like it was a data file.

Likewise the reverse so you could hear the result.

Much easier was to dump the output via HP-GL to the drum plotter or Tektronix 4010 graphics terminal.

But… I let others –who should have known better– play with it, and imagine my shock when almost the first thing they did was to record and playback NSFW “naughty words”… And by simple frequency translation make the male voice sound like a girls on helium.

So yes, not all DSP work was “glorious”…

As I said to the head of Department who was investigating the computer making farting noises,

“It was not me and I did not think two lecturers could be so ‘boys with their toys’ about it.”

It was on that day I came to realise first hand that “Political Blackmail” and “Office Politics” could be not just inglorious but quite dirty as well…

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