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vas pup October 16, 2020 4:37 PM

@Winter – continue from the previous week – Thank you for your input on privacy search.

I try to create e-mail account on mail.ru (server in Russia), but they required to provide cell phone # from Russian phone provider to send you confirmation code. Definitely, I don’t have such in US, but I just recall that owner of mail.ru resides in US (Wow!), so I guess our ‘professionals’ do have leverage to twist his hand in such way to obtain information from accounts on mail.ru utilizing old mafia technique: to make offer you cannot reject.

vas pup October 16, 2020 4:40 PM

How would I know if I had (dangerous) Neanderthal genes?

===>Having Neanderthal DNA in your body means you face a higher risk of a severe COVID-19 infection. But how much higher? And how can I figure out if I’m part Neanderthal?

Six minutes audio:
https://www.dw.com/en/how-would-i-know-if-i-had-dangerous-neanderthal-genes/av-55289225

There are other interesting facts related to neanderthal-genes in particular – SECURITY ANGLE – tolerance to pain. CIA should take a note I guess.

Sherman Jay October 16, 2020 4:52 PM

@vas pup,
Just a thought:
I get no compensation of any type from them. And, you should check other hosting firms; many might have similar offers. But, my organization has used this company In Idaho for ~15 years. They are quite responsible have local Idaho help services and you can setup an account with them with 2 mailboxes that are completely under your control for $49.00USD per year. You can use that same acccount to host a website if you have a domain, but you don’t have to.

h t tp://qwk.net/cheap_website_hosting/

AND on another topic
More degredation of security on the internet:
Ajit Paihole (aclaimed in the article as the most hated man on the internet!) proclaims himself Internet Emperor to destroy 1st Amendment Rights, WTF?

h t tps://www.mintpressnews.com/ajit-pai-just-vowed-modify-section-230-communications-act/272062/

vas pup October 16, 2020 4:56 PM

Automatic decision-making prevents us harming others
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/10/201015101811.htm

“The processes our brains use to avoid harming other people are automatic and reflexive — and quite different from those used when avoiding harm to ourselves, according to new research.

!!!Researchers found a striking difference between the two decision-making processes. They found that individuals made automatic, efficient choices when learning to avoid harming others.
=> However, when learning to avoid harming themselves, choices were more deliberative. People were willing to repeat choices that had previously led to harm if they thought it would produce better results in the future.

The team was also able to identify specific areas of the brain that are involved in these different decision-making processes.
=>They found the thalamus — a small, structure located just above the brain stem that has a role in pain processing — was more active when people were successfully avoiding harm to others. In contrast connections elsewhere in the brain, that are important for learning, became stronger when people choose to repeat an action that harmed someone else. The same connections were not present when people repeated an action that harmed themselves, suggesting different brain systems.”

Read the whole article for more details – clear security angle – harming.

Sherman Jay October 16, 2020 5:00 PM

@vas pup,
From reviewing past research I’ve gathered, most people’s DNA contains 3%-8% genetic material common to what is known of Neanderthal DNA. Even so, that is such a small amount that what it means for influencing any specific characteristic we may have is not firmly established and may have both pluses and minuses. I’m not going to lose any sleep over it since I can’t really change it. As the mobsters on TV say, ‘fah-get-about-it!’

SpaceLifeForm October 16, 2020 5:01 PM

@ Bruce, Clive, name....

LOL. 409 now 429?

While trying to post I got 429.

I backed up, resubmitted.

I think it made it.

Post is (as far as know) is:

hXXps://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2020/10/covid-19-and-acedia.html/#comment-356901
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vas pup October 16, 2020 5:05 PM

IMPORTANT FOR SECURITY OF ELECTION

Remember that fake news you read? It may help you remember even more
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/10/201016132013.htm

“People who receive reminders of past misinformation may form new factual memories with greater fidelity, according to an article published in the journal Psychological Science.

“Reminding people of previous encounters with fake news can improve memory and beliefs for facts that correct misinformation,” said Christopher Wahlheim, a lead author on the paper and assistant professor of psychology at the University of North Carolina, Greensboro.
===>”This suggests that pointing out conflicting information could improve the comprehension of truth in some situations.”

Wahlheim and colleagues conducted two experiments examining whether reminders of misinformation could improve memory for and beliefs in corrections. Study participants were shown corrections of news and information they may have encountered in the past. Reminders of past misinformation appeared before some corrections but not others. Study results showed that misinformation reminders increased the participants’ recall of facts and belief accuracy. The researchers interpreted the results to indicate that misinformation reminders raise awareness of discrepancies and promote memory updating. These results may be pertinent to individuals who confront misinformation frequently.

====>”It suggests that there may be benefits to learning how someone was being misleading. This knowledge may inform
!!!strategies that people use to counteract high exposure to misinformation spread for political gain,” Wahlheim said.”

SpaceLifeForm October 16, 2020 5:51 PM

@ Clive, name...., ALL

In case you did not see this on your news feed today:

Current prices for Corn and Soybeans:

Corn about $4 per bushel.
Soybeans about $10.50 per bushel.

Apparently, there is an incumbent US Senator in Iowa that is not aware of market prices.

I guess she doesn’t get outside much and see what is grown on the farms there.

Maybe she has been distracted because she was looking for Devin Nunes cow.

Wear a mask. Vote. Preferably in person. On paper.
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SpaceLifeForm October 16, 2020 6:14 PM

@ Bruce, Moderator, Clive

Serious question:

Would you like Clive and me to do some moderation here?

We can spot the BS from miles away.

We are timezones apart. We are usually never online at the same time. (because neither of us have a regular sleep schedule)

I think Clive has said he would. I'm willing also.

We are both retired, and usually have no daily obligations.

You have a lot on your plate coming up.

We can weed out the spam.

Give it a thought.

I'll throw in some free debugging.

SpaceLifeForm October 16, 2020 6:46 PM

@ vas pup, Clive, name.*.*.*.*

"People who receive reminders of past misinformation may form new factual memories with greater fidelity,"

That is what Fox News is about. Fast Talkers.

The 'reminder' arrives before the viewer/listener can assimilate the input that was projected seconds before.

After enough conditioning, they no longer have a fully functioning frontal cerebral cortext.

As my father said 50 years ago:

Give me peace of mind. Let me think.

SpaceLifeForm October 16, 2020 7:25 PM

@ vas pup, Clive, name.*.*.*.*

Here is an example of a frontal cortext fail.

It could have other points. Like mentioning Russia, Iran, North Korea.

I guess the Cliffnotes book was really cheap.

Not mentioning source. You can find.

---

TWITTER is against us.

THE MEDIA is against us.

BIG TECH is against us.

THE SWAMP is against us.

THE DEEP STATE is against us.

THE HOLLYWOOD ELITE is against us.

CHINA is against us.

SpaceLifeForm October 16, 2020 7:50 PM

@ Clive, name.*.*.*.*, ALL

It's funny.

Writing style.

Elsewhere, not here.

It's all good.

On our side.

But hidden.

Clive Robinson October 17, 2020 12:17 AM

@ vas pup,

Remember that fake news you read?

My trouble is trying to find “the not fake news”, it’s getting harder and harder, so much so that I’ve stopped watching and listening to the “news” via the usuall MSM outlets.

The simple fact is even when it’s not fake news it still sounds like it…

For instance, it has been said that the UK Government has decided to approach for the position as the new head of UK broadcast control agency OfCom ex-editor of the Daily Mail. Who had to resign his Editor’s job because he accused three judges on the front page of the Daily Mail of all sorts of things simply because they applied the law against the BoJo attempts to circumvent parliment.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2020/sep/26/pm-offers-top-media-body-jobs-to-critics-of-bbc-say-reports

To use the catch phrase of a BBC SitCom “Un-Believable”

@ SLF,

With regards two out of three vowels down on the farm and friends. I’m keeping out of that field for now after all the Owl “Territ Two Wo-rdy” is doing a Farmer Piles act of “Geet hoff me l’hand” from the hedgerow, because he’s not sitting pretty.

name.withheld.for.obvious.reasons October 17, 2020 1:43 AM

The “Rights of Man”, Thomas Paine
In arguing the nature of the French Revolution versus the failed and vailed support for monarchs by Edmund Burke:

Because the idea of hereditary legislators is inconsistent as that of hereditary judges, or hereditary juries; and absurd as an hereditary mathematician or hereditary wise man; and as ridiculous as an hereditary poet laureate.

I offer that “hereditary” could be replaced as “sectarian”.

name.withheld.for.obvious.reasons October 17, 2020 1:51 AM

@ SpaceLifeForm
Read you loud and clear–and to answer all the queries respecting available information, reports, and political machinations–yes, have read, analyzed, and viewed the various sources you’ve offered up. Keep it up, between the group of contributors the truth can be coalesced with a depth and breadth that is capable of answering the depraved and improvised thinking that surrounds us all.

If you had a chance to see U.S. Senator Whitehouse presentation during the Coney Barrett confirmation hearing, he spoke to the job that is typical of role of senators. Two hundred fifty million to shape the Supreme Court. But that is only a portion of the story.

name.withheld.for.obvious.reasons October 17, 2020 2:00 AM

@ Clive
Yes, I remain skeptical about the level intercourse, discourse, and verbal interface around simple and deterministic elements–my patience is vast but not infinite. Did you witness the shedding of a contribution to an expose of ten days less a fortnight brought to mind with wit and vinegar as would be of a view by yours told?

name.withheld.for.obvious.reasons October 17, 2020 2:09 AM

@ Sherman Jay
Quite funny, may I add to your humorous tirade…

Ajit Pihole (3.1415926535 times the diameter of an idiot)

My apologizes if it is sounding like I speak in dungs.

Winter October 17, 2020 3:02 AM

@vas pup
“I try to create e-mail account on mail.ru”

Try yandex.com if you want a Russian email. Also works with Tor.

My bet for privacy would be protonmail.com. They are located in Switzerland and try to store nothing (e2e encryption) IIRC

FA October 17, 2020 4:06 AM

@SpaceLifeForm

Would you like Clive and me to do some moderation here?

IMHO, anyone who takes part in controversial debates here should NOT have moderation rights.

It would also help if you could

  • stop using the typewriter font for all of your posts,
  • write falsifiable sentences instead of meaningless phrases like e.g.

It’s funny.

Writing style.

Elsewhere, not here.

It’s all good.

On our side.

But hidden.

Winter October 17, 2020 5:25 AM

@Clive
“it’s getting harder and harder, so much so that I’ve stopped watching and listening to the “news” via the usuall MSM outlets.”

I find that broadening your search helps. Use the Journalistic First Law:
News is only News when you have two (or more) independent sources.

So, I sometimes watch Al jazeera for confirmation. In my experience, they tend to stay close to the facts (at least if it is not Arabic/Iranian news). The Economist have its strong points, as has French Le Monde or Le Point. Nature and Science too have their area of expertise.

My Second rule:
Select trustworthy sources. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me. So remember who was right and who was wrong.

20201017 October 17, 2020 5:29 AM

@Winter:

Protonmail.com is either a CIA asset or directly or indirectly compromised because of the financial relationships and entanglements they have with different state controlled actors.
For privacy and anonymity purposes it would be unwise to “trust” a provider, which in order for one to be able to create and use an email account, requires either a mobile phone number or a donation, therefore in essence either requiring payment data or a cellphone number. These requirements are neither necessary nor beneficial; they only serve the vested interests of the entities in charge.

See here:
https://privacy-watchdog.io/truth-about-protonmail/

However, there still are a few Email providers who don’t require donations or a mobile phone number while nonetheless allowing access through the TOR network, but they aren’t that plentiful and it is all but guaranteed that they will also adhere to their current policies in the future.

One of them is based in Iceland and is called CTemplar:
https://ctemplar.com

Some sort of Comparison between Tutanota, Protonmail and CTemplar can be found here:
https://peakd.com/hive-120808/@anonymouser/protonmail-vs-tutanota-vs-ctemplar-which-is-the-best

Winter October 17, 2020 6:29 AM

“Protonmail.com is either a CIA asset or directly or indirectly compromised because of the financial relationships and entanglements they have with different state controlled actors.”

Thanks for warning us.

I’ll have a look at ctemplar.

Henry October 17, 2020 6:34 AM

@20201017: “Protonmail.com is either a CIA asset or directly or indirectly compromised because of the financial relationships and entanglements they have with different state controlled actors.”

Many, many thanks for finally agreeing with me!

SpaceLifeForm & Clive for mods: Why not? They both got the right mindset… (our two wee kungflu bully marshalls from Serco).

name.withheld.for.obvious.reasons October 17, 2020 7:02 AM

15 Oct 2020 — The Trial of Julian Assange
An impassioned Roger Waters in a roundtable discussion expressed concerns about information related to the case before the Old Bailey and why the Nils Melzer report remained relatively unknown. Some comments made by Rogers in an unrestrained and frustrated tirade…

Roger Waters; “Why has no one seen it–why are they f’n around”…

“It obvious why they haven’t let it out.”…

“They don’t give a f*#. They have no interest in the law or protocol or democracy or liberty or human rights or any of the things that they pretend to hold dear. They have no any interest in any of all Magna Carta that it took an American on our panel to bring up.”

EDITORIAL COMMENT:
What has come of this trial in my mind:
Witness not just a threat to free speech, but the loss of free thought. Dissent is not exclusively opinionated, in science and research along with socio-political theory, it is required for proper inquiry. This type of social enforcement by governments, that mandates conformity of thought, means the end of progress–resulting in a bias towards regress.

There is a pernicious tendency to over simplify issues and attempt to reduce them as some snarky meme that encapsulates a narrative that does little to inform. It’s as if lobbing a hand grenade into a conversation is a rational and legitimate argument. It is not…thus the cognitive dissonance ensues. And if you’re called on your grenade throwing, the belief that having retained the pin, the act of tossing the grenade is legitimate. “Well, I held on to the pin so what”s the problem?”

JonKnowsNothing October 17, 2020 9:32 AM

@Winter @All

re: compromised sites controlled by the Not-Owner

If you are considering some sites for serious business that requires some level of assurance about privacy and secured data, be mindful that in the USA, LEAs can and do “take over” sites and run them as if they are The Owners. This is done on the backend and is a MITM type operation except they become the destination rather than just intercepting packets and data streams.

In addition, iirc(badly) any email stored on a server, internet, more than 18 months old does not require a warrant to access or harvest. Rest assured, it’s all harvested but LEAs do not require warrants for older communications.

This maybe one way that they use their archived data in legal proceedings producing extensive email/chat/text exchanges. Of course, they hack and edit these exchanges to make them appear more “OHHH!” than they probably were at the time they were written.

Additionally, depending on what sort of items you are sending and storing, theses will be harvested too. Both LEAs and Corps harvest images and watermark them as well as using them to build various AI Image Training Sets. Once watermarked they can and do track their further destinations.

Clive Robinson October 17, 2020 9:45 AM

@ FA,

IMHO, anyone who takes part in controversial debates here should NOT have moderation rights.

There are moderation rights and moderation rights…

Whilst this is @Bruce Schneier’s blog, and he has rules he has show he both listen’s and has discretion.

Thus what Bruce decides is upto him, but like all of us he can only make decisions based on information he has available to him.

Which means that you, me and all others in effect have a responsability in moderation of this site, just as we would at an event in someones home.

I note that more than one person highlights where they find things that conflict with the rules Bruce has posted and alerts the Moderator to them.

Thus they effectively share in the moderation without having any powers that need oversight.

Others have also previously posted topics on the Squid Page as and where they find them else where. I suspect that as some later become threads Bruce reads and considers them. Likewise the comments others make can be seen later in the direction Bruce takes.

All of these activities probably save Bruce time and lift some of the load for him and any Moderator he might have working for him.

As I’ve said in the past when asked why I don’t have my own blog, I can see just how much time and effort is involved not just with background tasks of blog hardware / OS / software administration, but finding daily topics and writing up about them, all of which come before moderation. I suspect few people could commit to what many would find to occupy a considerable amount of time each day thus impact continuously either work or social life or both.

So if people can find ways to help in the background I hope they continue to do so, but I also understand why they could not commit to doing it in any more than a part time activity.

Winter October 17, 2020 10:18 AM

@Jon
“In addition, iirc(badly) any email stored on a server, internet, more than 18 months old does not require a warrant to access or harvest.”

That is definitely totally illegal in the EU. The law is pretty clear on that point.

JG4 October 17, 2020 10:53 AM

In order of importance to security. I’ll let the heavy hitters do the math. I may have stopped short of saying that using machines for cognitive and sensory augmentation (real AI) is the most important activity on your planet. At least when the results are not misdirected by humans.

This tape will self-destruct in 5 seconds…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4y9NtHlJvbY
233,313 views•Mar 27, 2016

To Build Truly Intelligent Machines, Teach Them Cause and Effect
https://www.quantamagazine.org/to-build-truly-intelligent-machines-teach-them-cause-and-effect-20180515
Judea Pearl, a pioneering figure in artificial intelligence, argues that AI has been stuck in a decades-long rut. His prescription for progress? Teach machines to understand the question why.

Memristor Breakthrough: First Single Device To Act Like a Neuron
https://spectrum.ieee.org/nanoclast/semiconductors/devices/memristor-first-single-device-to-act-like-a-neuron
Analog computing with neuron-like devices could efficiently solve problems traditional computers struggle with

Room-Temperature Superconductivity Achieved for the First Time
https://www.quantamagazine.org/physicists-discover-first-room-temperature-superconductor-20201014/
Physicists have reached a long-sought goal. The catch is that their room-temperature superconductor requires crushing pressures to keep from falling apart.

JonKnowsNothing October 17, 2020 11:22 AM

@Winter

re:
  “In addition, iirc(badly) any email stored on a server, internet,
  more than 18 months old does not require a warrant to access or harvest.”

That is definitely totally illegal in the EU. The law is pretty clear on that point.

I do not think the 5EY+World+Dog worry about that much. With jurisdiction hopping and rerouting, data streams can be harvested anywhere. Even if not used in a court case, they end up in Bluffdale for the perusal of anyone that puts in the proper search key phrase.

And no one in the EU has been so bothered about Gov Harvesters as to actually DO something, outside of a few attempts to rein in Corp Harvesters. They all feed at the same troughs.

There’s a big do downunder about how the Aussies bugged the Gov of East Timor.

ht tps://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/oct/16/secrecy-in-trial-of-witness-k-lawyer-bernard-collaery-an-offence-against-open-justice-law-council

ht tps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australia%E2%80%93East_Timor_spying_scandal

The Australia–East Timor spying scandal began in 2004 when the Australian Secret Intelligence Service (ASIS) clandestinely planted covert listening devices in a room adjacent to the East Timor (Timor-Leste) Prime Minister’s Office at Dili, to obtain information in order to ensure Australia held the upper hand in negotiations with East Timor over the rich oil and gas fields in the Timor Gap.

ht tps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Collaery
ht tps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Collaery#Witness_K_Trial

  summary: Collaery is a barrister and he and his client aka Witness K are charged with espionage for sharing secret government information to the press and courts over the East Timor affair.

(url fractured to prevent autorun)

Winter October 17, 2020 11:42 AM

@jon
“I do not think the 5EY+World+Dog worry about that much.”

But it does matter. You claim every LEO can access 6m old email without a warrant. That might be true in the USA, it is not in the EU. As a result, such emails cannot be used as evidence in court. That known criminals like Putin or the CIA do not care much about the law was not in dispute

“And no one in the EU has been so bothered about Gov Harvesters as to actually DO something, outside of a few attempts to rein in Corp Harvesters. ”

It might not have been in the news in the USA, but all over the EU data retention laws have been overturned. The law about domestic intelligence services in the Netherlands had to be rewritten with strong oversight after a crushing defeat in the polls.

“There’s a big do downunder about how the Aussies bugged the Gov of East Timor.”

That Australia is not a good place for privacy protection, in line with the rest of the Anglo-Saxon world, is not news. And also not relevant to the legal situation in the EU.

RandomOnReddit October 17, 2020 11:50 AM

Saw this on Reddit, have to share with Bruce…

There is nothing more terrifying/hilarious than going home with a guy for the first time, him showing you his aquarium setup (which is much more impressive than yours) and then suddenly he loses his shit because “DOC GOT OUT AGAIN!” and he’s asking you to help him “find Doc”…

And there’s a small octopus trying to get up a table leg.

Clive Robinson October 17, 2020 12:21 PM

@ JonKnowsNothing, ALL,

Rest assured, it’s all harvested but LEAs…

It does not matter if it’s LEA’s doing it directly to storage or members of the various agencies that make up National IC, sniffing the backbones and routers. Sooner or later all communications thus non local storage contents will end up being copied one way or another. Which with the way things look like they are going[1] to pan out, will end up getting given to LEA’s or a chosen few[2] or both one way or another.

Whilst that is a given, there are ways to mitigate communications monitoring, likewise remote storage scraping.

Thus it realy does not matter what ISP or storage provider you use, they either can not stop such behaviours or as many suspect they are complicit in some way.

Thus implementing security for,

1, Data Communications.
2, Data Storage.
3, Data Processing.

Is essential for anyone who has a legal duty of confidentiality to others, a legal duty of confidentiality to themselves, or simply wish to have some level of privacy in their lives, to take working mitigation steps where they can.

The big issue is that most apparent mitigations people think will get them privacy or the required legal necescity of confidentiality actuall do not work, and many that still do very soon will not[1].

As I’ve said a number of times there are many applications that make great claims about their crypto protocols etc, but neglect to tell you they are compleatly and utterly vulnerable to end run attacks through the OS etc around to the User Interface or Storage where everything is in nice easy to see and read plaintext (remember EncroChat[3]).

I’ve explained the basic reason for this and how to properly mittigate communications in the past.

Mittigating remote storage where files always remain encrypted and the metadata is kept minimal and changed regularly is not that much harder, but requires secure processing and secure plaintext storage which is as they say “the rub”.

Getting secure local storage and processing where plaintext is required is a great deal more difficult, but again I have mentioned various ways of how to do it.

I’m not going to go into it again but advise that technology is always changing and it can be impossible to keep up with if you follow “The Microsoft Way” etc. Even when you think you can keep up with technology at the moment it is in reality a “Red Queen’s Race” that you can never win so playing that game is pointless and a waste of your resources. Sometimes called “The hamster wheel of pain administration”.

Thus at first it appears you have lost before you start… However that is only true if you play their game, their way. Becauses they have like gambling houses fixed the “house rules” so you end up loosing either money, sanity or both if you play. The way to win is to set your own rules to your own game and thus they have to play to your “house rules”. They will try every trick they can as a matter of course of “collect it all” over remote connections. So again unless you put certain major barriers such as “energy gaps” in the way they will eventually worm their way in. And trust me they will have AI or similar in the OS actively seeking to not just “ET Phone Home” to the mothership but to download what they want without your permission (as they did with supposadly free Win10 that has cost people a fortune directly and indirectly).

The object lessen in this was told to us by a US President in times past,

“The price of Freedom is eternal vigilance”

Something the readers here realy should take to heart, and help as many others as they can also make the right choices and mitigations.

[1] See latest nonsense about E2EE access from Barr, Patel and others who thirst for despot powers the likes of history’s most evil tyrants and dictators did not have.

[2] Whilst the US claims not to have committed comercial-espionage, there is sufficient evidence to say they lie. Other countries areca little more honest about it, for instance back in the 1980’s the French made the point that espionage was cheaper than R&D. So if you have a limited national budget, espionage has a better return on investment. Thus it’s safe to assume any nation that can do commercial espionarge, will do so for their chosen few in the MIC etc. Mind you it does have it’s funny side… As many know the Chinese were at one time accused of stealing the F35 plans… but it soon became clear that if they had, they were better engineers, hence the joke that “Maybe the US should out source tge F35 to China, because atleast their’s lands in one piece”. But don’t tell that joke in certain circles, as they don’t like to admit that China is rather more technically advanced than the US thus the throwing out of the pram of all the 5G etc toys…

[3] https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2020/07/police-infiltrate-encrypted-phones-arrest-hundreds-in-organized-crime-bust/

David Rudling October 17, 2020 12:48 PM

What if the Internet had never become a giant source of malevolence and desktops hadn’t been reduced to thin clients for web pages?
What if the Internet was only used to facilitate data synchronization between endpoints?
Some (provocative?) non-political reading for the weekend.

ht tps://adlrocha.substack.com/p/adlrocha-what-if-we-had-local-first
ht tps://storage.googleapis.com/jellyposter-store/16620200e730651d20d1a25d315508c7.pdf

jay October 17, 2020 1:56 PM

this story has some accuracy but also a lot of “fake news” but it is the fake part that makes this story misleading at best. chinese fishermen indeed fish worldwide to feed china’s appetite for fresh water fish. unlike the west, wild caught fish is a major food source especially for regions in the east and southeast where majority of the population concentrates. the fake news part:
1. the picture attached to this story. the ship clearly marked S. Korea, not chinese. western news media routinely makes this kind of rudimentary mistakes. granted, there is a slight possibility that chinese fishermen leased a South Korea vassal but if this is true, the story did not report this.
2. the story clearly reports chinese ships were in “international water” thus violating no laws. yet the headline reads “past illegal”.
as China continues her peaceful rise (not a single bullet fired during her rise since 1979), we must make an attempt to learn about China in a rational, objective and multi polar perspective. this kind of hyperbolic “reporting” is harmful to ourselves (meaning the west). thanks!

1&1~=Umm October 17, 2020 3:29 PM

@jay:

“as China continues her peaceful rise (not a single bullet fired during her rise since 1979),”

Now that is fake news if ever there was any.

1) China-Indian border troops killed on both sides.

2) South China Seas many civilian fishing vessels and crew have been shot by Chinese forces building artificial islands.

3) Chinese artificial island garrisons and US Navy vessels engage in “star wars style” high energy laser battles.

And a lot more besides.

So neither “peaceful” nor “not a single bullet fired” oh but plenty of illegal expansionism, and plenty of direct threats and attacks against vessels of other nations in the international waters of the South China Seas.

So back to the old days of imperialist expansionism…

Debunker October 17, 2020 4:01 PM

On media censorship (Huntergate):

Senate Judiciary to vote on subpoena for Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey
The social media company has come under fire from Republicans, including President Donald Trump and his congressional allies.
A Senate panel will vote to subpoena Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey next week to testify on allegations the company is stifling conservative viewpoints, Republican committee leaders announced Thursday.

What’s happening: Sens. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), Ted Cruz (R-Texas) and Josh Hawley (R-Mo.) told reporters the Senate Judiciary Committee will vote on Tuesday on whether to authorize subpoenas to compel Dorsey to testify before the committee that Friday. Cruz, who chairs Judiciary’s Subcommittee on the Constitution, said Dorsey will be asked to address “why Twitter is abusing their corporate power to silence the press and to cover up allegations of corruption.”

A Twitter spokesperson declined comment on the announcement.

Hawley, who chairs Judiciary’s Subcommittee on Crime and Terrorism, called for the full committee to also vote on subpoenas for Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg, though it was not immediately clear whether the vote would include him.

Key context: The social media company has come under fire from Republicans including President Donald Trump and his congressional allies for blocking users from an article alleging direct ties between the Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden and his son’s business dealings, which the Biden campaign has contested.

Source: politico.com, https://archive.is/kTIvy

vas pup October 17, 2020 4:25 PM

@20201017 • October 17, 2020 5:29 AM and @Winter

To create account at ctemplar.com you need to have invitation code: so, either you have to compromise you by providing payment information OR you have to compromise your existing identity requesting invitation code from them (ctemplar.com link inside) from other source of information (e-mail, social media) for free account OR compromise other person’s paid account.

So, there is NO such option as secure e-mail account. No illusion for me at least.

Moreover, our ‘wizards’ in a future if such account could be really created will redirect your future attempt to sigh in to such server from US, UK, Germany you name it to their fake site with similar image as initial logon site, then intercept your id, password, and bounce it back to you with message like: “wrong credentials provided” so you’ll have to enter them again thinking typo was made, then if they are the same – direct to the right site, but having all your credentials stored in their (bleeping) data base.

Bong-Smoking Primitive Monkey-Brained Spook October 17, 2020 4:53 PM

I support SpaceLifeForm & Clive moderation role.

Only if one of them doesn’t see our identifying metadata. I don’t trust aliens from outer space.

Sherman, Esq. October 17, 2020 6:20 PM

Re :packing the moderation court

“if nominated I’ll decline. If drafted I’ll defer. And if elected I’ll resign”

SpaceLifeForm October 17, 2020 9:52 PM

@ 20201017

Where has my previously posted comment from just a few seconds ago gone?

I wrote recently about this. Search here for batcache.

The TL;DR is: wait 5 minutes, force reload.

The behaviour varies due to factors beyond your control.

SpaceLifeForm October 17, 2020 10:38 PM

@ Bruce, Clive

Maybe the spam problem is not as bad as I think. Maybe it is, but @Moderator is actually doing a bang-up job of whack-a-mole, and we can not see that.

But, there is a reputational problem with the spam comments.
In particular, spam flying under the radar, via posts to old articles.
There is a simple fix for that, but it has a side-effect.

Here is an example of all old article that just got a spam post today.

https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2016/10/is_whatsapp_hac.html/

Article originally up on 2016-10-04.
The last 11 comments are clearly all spam. The last 5 are from this year.
The article did not receive spam when it was still fresh.
Everyone spots the spam on recent articles, because of fresh eyes.
But rarely does spam on old articles get spotted.

The simple fix for the spam to old articles problem is to lock the article.
Easily done in WordPress. For example: No more comments allowed after 30 days.
Or 60 days.

Here the side-effect comes in.

By locking the article (no further posts after X days), you now preclude someone adding Useful Information to an old article.

I have done so myself. While researching on AES, I found not only an old article from here, but a much newer article on another website that was related.

So, I posted a link to the newer article under the old article on this blog.

One may ask: Why?

Communication. I may be helping a future researcher.

SpaceLifeForm October 18, 2020 1:38 AM

@ Debunker

Prediction: Senate Judiciary will not even issue a subpoena.

It is noise to distract.

They are hopping mad, hopping I tell you,
that their disinformation strategy was flawed.

They can’t understand Section 230.

Hopping mad.

But, I welcome them to try the subpoena.

And then @jack can just ignore.

Just like any recent subpoena from Congress has been ignored.

The gopers need to read this:

hXXps://www.techdirt.com/articles/20200531/23325444617/hello-youve-been-referred-here-because-youre-wrong-about-section-230-communications-decency-act.shtml

SpaceLifeForm October 18, 2020 2:08 AM

@ Kindsburg
@ Bong-Smoking Primitive Monkey-Brained Spook
@ Sherman, Esq.

LOL.

Thank you. We all can use humour every day.

In all seriousness, no one really wants to be @Moderator.

I’m just looking out for the blog. Nothing more.
I have zero motives.

But, IMHO, the spam problem has gotten worse.
Which, counterintuitively, may be a good thing.

But, spam to old articles is not what you want.

If the problem is not worse than what I see,
then locking old articles will probably eliminate most of the spam.

And then, keeping up with recent spam will be much easier. Much easier.

I’m sure Bruce is going to think about this a bit.

I will note that there actually is a valid reason to allow spam.

You will have to think outside the box on that one.

Clive Robinson October 18, 2020 2:10 AM

@ SpaceLifeForm, Bruce Schneier,

In particular, spam flying under the radar, via posts to old articles.

Posts to old threads do show up in 100 newcomments page[1], –if not caught by various filters– so can be seen as they come in. Usually but not always they are SPAM / Unsolicited Advertising (UA). UA tends to give it’s self away for various reasons but can slip by as I’ve noted in the past.

@Bruce did once mention the times of day most UA came in, which if memory serves correctly was “working day” in East Asia (though there are some that appear in European time from observation).

<

blockquote>The simple fix for the spam to old articles problem is to lock the article.

Rather than “locking” older threads, I suspect it may be possible to divert any comments older than say a month to the moderation que (if there still is one on this new software I’ve not tripped it yet if there is). This would make things a little easier for the person moderating[2].

However spamers can be –but often aren’t– adaptable, and we do see people spaming the current squid page from time to timr.

As for other types of non-UA posting that needs moderating to the rules, that is going to be controversial if done by “known individuals” other than @Bruce Schneier or the appointed anonymous @Moderator effectively employed to do the task.

Other blogs have tried “up/down ticks” for other users to moderate posting and generally such systems do not work. Even when IP address or some other “vote once” mechanism is in place, they appear to be a magnet to certain types, who spend quite some time trying to find a way to subvert them and often they succeed. Going for the anonymous attack appears to be an added attraction for some, whilst boosting their own comment is attractive to others (anyone remember “he who shalt not be named”?).

As I’ve said there are plenty of reasons why I don’t have my own blog and the thorny issue of non-spam/non-UA posting moderation is just one of them. Especially as it usually turns out to be a no-win situation for all concerned.

[1] Spoting name field link based UA used to be easier on the old blog software because the name field showed up as a link there so you just had to hover the cursor. Unfortunately with the new 100 newcomments page it just show the name not the link…

[2] I once had a third line support / bespoke development role with a company that had an open “support@” email account. All support staff had the job of going through it on a rota to forward to other support staff. Some of the stuff that came in was frankly stomach churning and almost certainly illegal. Whilst there was the easy fix of only alowing 7bit ASCII, Mi$o put the kibosh on that… Because they supported HTML and heaven alone knows what else and you got complaints because companies set their Mi$o email systems up to send all that nonsense… And their support staff did not like it when their users got their emails bounced and could get realy quite rude (especially when you told them Mi$o was not “standards compliant” which it was not till it railroaded the system).

Clive Robinson October 18, 2020 2:20 AM

@ Bruce Schneier, Moderator,

In my above post a “blockquote” appears to have gone wrong around

“The simple fix for the spam to old articles problem is to lock the article.”

Not sure what went wrong best guess was a problem with a “failed match/compare” caused by an initialisation…

That is the first “blockquote” was all lower case, but due to the odderties of this mobile phone web browser the trailing “/Blockquote” had the B in upper case.

SpaceLifeForm October 18, 2020 2:48 AM

@ Clive

Testing.

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blockquote>Posts to old threads do show up in 100 newcomments page

SpaceLifeForm October 18, 2020 3:21 AM

@ Bruce, Clive

This may actually be a markdown problem.

Still researching.

Since I have no way to disable markdown completely, I can not fully test.

Using the three backtick method does not stop the post from going thru the markdown code.

It’s just telling markdown to treat as a <pre> block.

Which also (will test), mean that any HTML markup inside the pre block will be ignored.

(this via normal post method as you can see because I used the amper lt semi, amper gt semi)

SpaceLifeForm October 18, 2020 3:34 AM

@ Bruce, Clive

Testing.

In this test case, I am using the three backtick method.
First and last lines are exactly and only three backticks.

I want to see what markdown is doing.

I am going to do a normal html line that says blockquote text slashBlockquote.
But, you know, with the actual angle brackets.
And the uppercase B on the closing html tag.

<blockquote>markdown sucks</Blockquote>

This is after the actual line of html. No Preview on this test. We're going Live!

This will be the last line. The next line is the 3 backticks that will disappear.

SpaceLifeForm October 18, 2020 3:38 AM

@ Bruce, Clive

It did what I expected. Once in pre mode, it’s just plain text, and there is no parsing until you end the pre mode.

The problem is in the markdown code.

SpaceLifeForm October 18, 2020 3:57 AM

@ Bruce, Clive

One more test..

Instead of blockquote, I am going to use italic. The close will be uppercase I.

This is normal mode, no Preview. We’re going Live!

Need Sleep, but Clive put HTML email into my brain

Normal line here, next will have uppercase I at front, lower on end.

Need Sleep, but Clive put HTML email into my brain

Suspect this is a mess. That markdown only respects lowercase html tags.

And markdown is hopelessly braindead.

SpaceLifeForm October 18, 2020 4:03 AM

@ Bruce, Clive

I’m shocked! Shocked I tell you!

So, is the case sensitivity problem only on the keyword blockquote?

Or is because it is multiple character?

SpaceLifeForm October 18, 2020 4:11 AM

@ Bruce, Clive

Ok, one more test.

Same as the italic test, but this time strong.

First will be strong closed with Strong.

Your stupid bug cannot hide!

Next, the Strong closed with strong

Your stupid bug cannot hide!

Here we go… No Preview, going Live!

SpaceLifeForm October 18, 2020 4:15 AM

@ Bruce, Clive

So, it’s not the number of characters.

It sure looks like it’s something with the keyword blockquote.

Something must be hardcoded somewhere in the markdown code.

Clive Robinson October 18, 2020 4:35 AM

@ SpaceLifeForm,

I suspect our host is now muttering under his breath, I know I sure would be in his place.

Such are the problems in software upgrades and migrations, the path is rarely smooth even with good planing preperation and testing.

Which as we know many admins avoid where possible on live systems. Hence one of the major security vulneravilities of our time “Delayed/Never patching”.

Mind you there is a wry smile side to this, I suspect some of the issues that the users of this site have noticed are “not new”… So where else but a security blog would they get found and reported 😉

Singular Nodals October 18, 2020 5:00 AM

@SpaciousVivaciousMorphe, et al

Bactiiicks3, half angle bracket line, italic light, no preview, recursive strange …

This was a Turing test, and you passed ! (I’m hoping to pass too, someday, before complexity and infinity close up.)

Lunch for successful candidates downstairs, give the dining hall matron this ticket.

Clive Robinson October 18, 2020 5:05 AM

Something to take your mind off of things

There are many myths in the world, how they come about is sometimes anybodies guess.

However one thing they all appear to have in common is people believe in them still even when disproved.

After all some are “just to nice” to believe in, such as Gremlins and Murphy’s Law.

Well here are a few that have been debunked but still have life for programmers,

https://github.com/kdeldycke/awesome-falsehood

Enjoy.

Worry October 18, 2020 7:38 AM

BREAKING: WHITE SUPREMACISTS HACKING ELECTION FOR TRUMP

Updated Oct. 18, 2020 at 1:49 AM – SEATTLE, WA — Alarming reports have surfaced indicating that white supremacists on the infamous 4chan hacking site have altered election results in at least three counties in Washington State, among them King County.

Analysts at EIT have determined that as many as 16,000 submitted votes may have been forged or tampered with. White supremacists from 4chan took credit for the attack, and stated that their aim was to work with Russians to interfere with the election results. “This is an egregious assault on the integrity of our electoral process,” said a campaign official familiar with the matter, “and the activity from 4chan has been logged by investigators to establish contact with any persons participating in the relevant aspects of this attack.”

Winter October 18, 2020 10:09 AM

@worry
“BREAKING:”

Before I start to worry, I would like to know where this has been published so I can see who did this research.

Could you give details, e.g., a link?

first poster October 18, 2020 10:37 AM

Ive yet to see anyone talking about the computer repair shop that supposedly had the Biden hard drive NYP is claiming…

TL&DR: their internal network security is atrocious. Public servers easy to find and decades out of date, clearly infested with webshells, self-hosted non-SSL-enabled IMAP/POP and mail servers, etc… its almost certain that belligerent nations found this info years ago already and had free admin access to anything inside…

The only question is what actually happened.

shodan.io/host/70.91.28.242

hxxp://demacshop[.]net/http/

MikeA October 18, 2020 10:40 AM

@Worry

Good thing they were using .xls files in the toolchain, or more than 16000 might have been messed with.

(I figured the list could use a little levity, and applying homeopathic levels of “little” felt appropriate for this thread)

JonKnowsNothing October 18, 2020 12:38 PM

@All @Space

re: The curious case of SURPRISE visitors in AU

note: I am not an Aussie. I am not a Kiwi either.

In the Wonders Down Under they have been fighting the good fight against COVID-19 and both AU and NZ have had some great successes.

NZ has passed their “2nd wave” caused by a failure of their quarantine protocols. As a reward, they don’t have to wear masks or social distance and can party till the cows come home.

There is a pointer to an unexpected infection from a port worker who wears PPE. Not much is being said about this, except they discovered it early and it’s contained. The real question is how did the worker get infected. Lots of previous pointers are cargo containers and cold boxes in other odd-duck outbreaks but all of those have been dropped off the radar.

AU though is a bit more complicated, and you really need a program to tell the players from the players.

The AU State of Victoria, Melbourne is the capital, has been slashing away at their catastrophic quarantine failure and has gotten it down to very low numbers. There are some small outbreaks but they are very close to getting it quashed.

So far 3 government officials have resigned or fallen on own petard over the matter of who authorized the use of Private Security for the quarantine. The crucial time frame is now less than 6 minutes and a phone call was established from call records.

Some of the other AU States are dealing with internal and state border crossing infections and are also getting things squashed pretty well.

So here comes the OWN GOAL from the folks in Sydney where the Federal Government runs the show. Sydney is the Australian Capital in district called Canberra; which is located in the AU State of New South Wales (NSW).

Scott Morrison is the Prime Minister and he has been absolutely desperate to get a Air Bubble Corridor to ANYWHERE. He tried to get NZ to open their borders to no-quarantine exchanges during Wave1 and NZ said Noooooo. After NZ got their 2nd wave clobbered, Morrison again tried to open the air lanes to NZ.

NZ said if you come here, you go into quarantine.
AU said if you come here from NZ, you can come to Sydney.

So a bunch of Kiwis did. Current count is 55.

This isn’t where the OWN GOAL is….

The Kiwis traveled on to the state of Victoria, Melbourne and no one in the Federal Immigration Department bothered to tell the folks putting out COVID-19 fires in Victoria, that they had visitors that had transferred between flights and walkabouts onto new planes and landed.

The 55+ Kiwis are not to be found, because the Federal Immigration folks did not pass along any details of the invasion or destinations. Another problem is that the state of Victoria does not have legal jurisdiction to stop, quarantine, or restrict the visitors who can waltz their matildas around and have done, including visiting some hot spots.

  * The Federal Immigration folks said Victoria knew this would happen.
  * Victoria said the Travel Bubble is to Sydney NOT Melbourne.
  * The Federal Immigration folks said, if you don’t want folks to come to Melbourne tell the air lines.
  * The Victoria folks said only the Federal folks can block them from getting on another plane.

It’s a lot of popcorn.

So while it looks like a CFK, there is this comment from the Canberra Immigration Office:

“Thankfully the virus numbers are down, but we need to reopen for the sake of people’s mental health and for the sake of people’s social wellbeing, for general freedom principles but also for economic reasons so that people can return to work. That is what we want to see. Let’s let Melbourne be like Sydney.
    Acting Federal Immigration Minister Alan Tudge 10 18 2020

New South Wales (Sydney) has again recorded more new Covid-19 cases than Victoria…..

It is highly suspicious that there are some suspicious circumstances pointing to Herd Immunity Policy in AU.

ht tps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoist_with_his_own_petard

ht tps://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/oct/18/immigration-minister-points-finger-at-victoria-over-new-zealand-travellers

ht tps://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-16/14-passengers-from-new-zealand-detained-in-melbourne/12777080

ht tps://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/oct/17/nsw-coronavirus-cluster-grows-as-victoria-reports-just-one-covid-case-and-zero-deaths

ht tps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Capital_Territory
ht tps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_South_Wales

(url fractured to prevent autorun)

lurker October 18, 2020 12:46 PM

@SLF*, Clive, Ors

While you’re out there with your butterfly nets, I noticed a pernicity with ref. numbers. If I make[1] a reference thus, or two[2], then list them below as 1. and 2., the footnotes get turned into an unordered list; in spite of “1.” & “2.” showing in “Preview”.

I’ll have to sbandon my habit from the print industry of different formatting for ref. nrs and footnotes.

  1. Fn. one
  2. Fn. two

lurker October 18, 2020 12:52 PM

either it’s fixed, or it depends on the sequence Edit-Preview-Submit[1] or Edit-Preview-Edit-Submit[2]

  1. one
  2. two

MarkH October 18, 2020 5:27 PM

@vas pup et alia:

Re mail.ru accounts, with the disclaimer that my experiences are now dated because I lost my desire to visit Russia after its invasions into Ukraine.

In the “noughties” I opened mail.ru accounts without needing a mobile phone.

Some mail services (like gmail) added an SMS requirement to discourage operators from using misusing the free accounts, but I suspect a more sinister purpose in connection with mail.ru.

As Clive just wrote on a different thread about the UK, the Russian government has a “pathological interest in controlling the Internet.”

In Russia, it’s not so easy to obtain “burner” phones — to obtain any SIM card, it’s required to present a passport and the address to which the passport is registered (a police function in Russia).

So, no anonymity — it would seem — for mail.ru accounts.

By contrast, yandex is a multinational company, headquartered in the EU.

xcv October 18, 2020 7:00 PM

@MarkH

Re mail.ru accounts, with the disclaimer that my experiences are now dated because I lost my desire to visit Russia after its invasions into Ukraine.

In the “noughties” I opened mail.ru accounts without needing a mobile phone.

In other words, you discovered the mail-order brides are too fat, after you made the trip and visited them in person. Otherwise, they’d probaby have found local husbands, I don’t really know, but people have too much “desire” onboard an airplane all of a sudden with all the alcohol and other adulterants in the snacks and food served in the cabin of an airborne motor vehicle.

Ismar October 18, 2020 7:36 PM

Thanks @Bruce for an interesting article which provides yet another example of our tendencies as humans to wipe everything out as fast as we can.

This, IMHO, still represents the most important security threat to our survival

“We all have the same, basic psychological hard wiring,” Wright said. “It makes us quite bad at long-range planning and leads us to cling to irrational delusions when faced with a serious threat. Look at the extreme right’s belief that if government got out of the way, the lost paradise of the 1950s would return. Look at the way we are letting oil and gas exploration rip when we know that expanding the carbon economy is suicidal for our children and grandchildren. The results can already be felt. When it gets to the point where large parts of the Earth experience crop failure at the same time then we will have mass starvation and a breakdown in order. That is what lies ahead if we do not deal with climate change.”

“If we fail in this great experiment, this experiment of apes becoming intelligent enough to take charge of their own destiny, nature will shrug and say it was fun for a while to let the apes run the laboratory, but in the end it was a bad idea,” Wright said.”

from

https://www.truthdig.com/articles/the-myth-of-human-progress/

Clive Robinson October 18, 2020 9:50 PM

@ Ismar,

With regards,

The Myth of Human Progress

The fact that there is an article that says how bad it is, and people read it and understand it.

To an extent belies the title, humanity or atleast parts of it are progressing bit by bit, all be it slowly.

Three decades ago I asked people the question of “Is economic expansion by destroying natural resources a,good thing?” the answer amongst old and many young was “Yes”. If you ask now the number that answer “Yes” is way way less.

But the article mentions the rise of “cult religion” as a possible future. Unfortunately in the poor it is already happening in large swaths of London and they are being exploited.

In Lewisham for instance you find new “Ministries” recruting outside of the MacDonald’s promising redemption and paradise, people openly reading the bible on public transport as though their very lives depended on it. They set up their places of worship in industrial buildings and the like without seeking the required safety permissions, without practising safe distancing or offering any disease protection other than faith, huggs, kisses, and loud singing, even shouting. The result is a hospital packed with the sick and a very much increased death rate. Some of these street preachers blaim the evils of society for COVID but they offer no solution other than the tithing of peoples meager incomes to their churches… You would think it was not possible to see the circling of vultures in a wealthy metropolis, but there they are feeding of the misery and hopelessness of the poor.

The difference between the two groups, the first knowing that destroying the environment is wrong, and the second lost in hopelessness is simply that of education and the opportunity it affords. However as you and I know education alone is not enough, people need opportunity as well and it is that which is being stolen from the young.

As for the rising population of humanity, it is a side effect of being poor, they know from looking around that those who are old are reliant on the help of their children and grand children. Thus large families mean security in their eyes. As nations become industrialized the number of children per family drops, often below sustainability China and Japan know what this means as they are seeing it around them today.

But look in other parts of the world, where the population is insufficient to build any infrastructure… for these are places without infrastructure, healthcare, or any real education and likewise no real opportunities. Where the population is to small to have even basic sanitation or healthy ways of cooking.

The world is a very unbalanced place, some solutions are simple, but they just move or change problems not solve them… finding the right solutions is hard. And to make it worse there is little in the way of money to make the opportunities in research to find the right solutions and make them viable.

For instance, one problem, an open fire only burns about one third of the energy in the fuel source the rest goes up through the roof as polution. But of that one third, more than two thirds of that do not heat water or food it likewise goes up through the roof as polution. So less than 10% of the available energy is utilized, the rest is poloution in one form or another. The incorect solution is to make charcoal and use that because even more energy is wasted in the process. One partial solution is a top downdraft gasification rocket stove where the fuel requirment to cook is less than a tenth of that into the overall charcoal process, likewise a fraction of the polution.

Is it the right solution no, there are better ones such as bio digesters that can turn more waste more efficiently into fuel and fertilizer and clean water. However cooking is just part of the problem, hot water storage and insulation to keep in heat are other parts that need to be solved as well. Do not underestimate the “togs value of a bale of straw”, it’s why properly built and stocked barns and bryars are dry and warm heated by the livestock alone even with three feet of snow and howling winds and blizards outside.

But it takes research to find the best solution for each sort of environment and that means finding the resources to make the opportunities to be able to do so…

But as I’ve indicated in the past, we also need to get off of this rock, otherwise we know for certain that mankind is doomed by celestial mechanics and worse basic physics of energies way beyond real comprehension…

Mankind only has a future through sustainable research and the opportunities that provides, and that in turn needs both an educated and sufficiently resourced populous. Which has to live within it’s means. Which means a life of “status” by displays of material wealth is highly undesirable.

SpaceLifeForm October 19, 2020 12:46 AM

@ lurker

I’m sure that it is markdown getting in the way.

hXXps://www.markdownguide.org/basic-syntax/

But, it may be as you observed that Preview is tied in.

As I noted above, I specifically avoided Preview for the tests.

Must minimize variables when debugging.

Basically, to me, markdown is a solution in search of a problem.

I’d prefer to have a way to disable it completely and just do html if needed.

But, that may not be easy on the server end.

lurker October 19, 2020 3:12 AM

@JonKN

There is a pointer to an unexpected infection from a port worker who wears PPE. Not much is being said about this, except they discovered it early and it’s contained. The real question is how did the worker get infected.

The ship believed to be involved had some crew exchanged to/from Phillipines. They were kept in isolation while ashore, but not tested. Shades of SLF* from the start of the year:
Stop the Ships!

https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/afternoons/audio/2018769029/moh-covid-19-update

Winter October 19, 2020 3:39 AM

@Clive
“However as you and I know education alone is not enough, people need opportunity as well and it is that which is being stolen from the young.”

2020 has shown the utter downfall of “laissez faire, laissez passer”, i.e., neo-con style libertarianism-light.

The result of the Thatcher-Reagan revolution has been several crippling bank crises. One bank crisis brought Putin to power, and one almost brought down the Wests’ complete financial system. And during the COVID-19 pandemic, the neo-cons had only a single answer: Embrace the pandemic and die.

But much more damaging was the exploding inequality, which resulted in median real wages not rising since 1980, while the economies quadrupled (UK: $11k-$42k /capita) or pentupled (USA: $13k-$65k /capita).

That indeed is an utter loss in opportunity for most of the population. Such an economic downfall is also a good reason for the population to become very angry and aggressive. And an escape into religious sects and conspiracy theories. Historically, such economic downfalls lead to bloody peasant uprisings, pogroms, and mass witch burning. It has also been known for half a century that a young generation without a future is a sure-fire recipe for fascism.

name.withheld.for.obvious.reasons October 19, 2020 4:35 AM

19 OCT 2020 — Hosted by Chris Hedges, Assange Extradition Hearing
An interview with Craig Murray, former UK Ambassador, about the London hearing at the Old Bailey.
NOTE: Much of the included text is a compilation of the interview, not a transcript but a summary of their conversation. This was aired on 3 Oct 2020, On Contact, hosted by Chris Hedges on RT America.

SIDE NOTE; If the topic is too mild or your hubris is riding high, I suggest the latest from Chris Hedges at Media Sanctuary. His talk, “The Politics of Despair”, is so sobering that it will drive one to drink.

hxxps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxSN4ip_F6M

Impressions from Murray about the Proceedings
Witness for the prosecution have been shielded from cross-examination by the defense. No witness offered by the prosecution were allowed to be questioned by the defense for Assange.

Vennesa Barristra reads out from a laptop that were written before the arguments are presented in court. Procedural issues, in every case, rulings having been rendered before she hears any arguments. (Note: that the submissions by both the defense and prosecution were available before hand. Editorial note: The defense has repeatedly provided uncontested evidence in contradiction to state’s evidence where material claims are knocked down. How can the judge reach a conclusion were prior claims were not challenged in court) Murray offers that she brings in arguments that someone possibly has written for her.

Preventing coverage of the proceedings, seems to be for the reasons having to do with the farcical staging of the hearing. Forty two seats, five allowed into the public gallery. And video access for NGO’s, the whole lot were cut off by the Judge on the first day–included state members of the European Parliament. It is open to major media organizations via video link but have decided not to cover the case.

The U.S. has argued in open court, that the U.S. has the right to prosecute anyone anywhere for publishing state secrets. And, the U.S. has said that the Espionage Act has not been tested under the NY Times in the Pentagon papers.

Craig Murray’s website went from 300K hits from social media during the February hearings at Belmarsh to 3K hits for the final hearing.

Ralph Nader says we are conservatives because we are calling for the rule of
law. A sadness is expressed by Murray, there was always abuse power but the elites would abide by the contours of law more or less.

“I am a former ambassador, not a natural radical. the old bailey with the blinded statue of justice, it no longer stands for justice of any kind. All the things I was brought up to believe in are plainly exposed has hollow and a sham no longer having meaning.”
Craig Murray, On Contact, 3 Oct 2020

Ismar October 19, 2020 4:35 AM

@Clive
Thanks for your comment

A couple of remarks
“To an extent belies the title, humanity or at least parts of it are progressing bit by bit, all be it slowly.”

The speed of progress is what matters now more then ever – it might be too little too late if the tipping point is reached before we change our behaviour for better.

With regard to revival in the religious behaviour – not all approaches to religion deny the active role the humanity has to play to improve the state of environment (see for example these people https://www.tikkun.org/category/ecological-transformation) and I believe that progressive voices can be found among all of the society (secular or nonsecular).

We have no choice to hope and act so that that this global issue of climate change will be solved in time to avoid the worst of the cataclysm that awaits otherwise.

There are signs that China is investing significantly in the renewables and hopefully things will change for better in the States once the new American administration takes power and fulfill (at least some) of their electoral promises re climate change.

In Australia, despite the federal government policies still heavily influenced by the fossil fuel lobby, there are very good signs that states have been doing their bits to develop more of the energy production using renewable resources (https://www.cleanenergycouncil.org.au/) .
Not sure where EU is on this but from memory Germany is far advanced with some other member state not far behind (Norway I believe has got very high adaption of renewables).
Lastly, the energy production using renewables is now cheaper then using fossil fuels which is always a very good incentive for the switch.
So there is cause for hope especially with younger generations more acutely aware of these issues.

JonKnowsNothing October 19, 2020 4:37 AM

@Winter @Clive

re: “However as you and I know education alone is not enough, people need opportunity as well and it is that which is being stolen from the young.”

utter downfall of “laissez faire, laissez passer” … more damaging was the exploding inequality

It seems that some countries have decided to handle the lack of opportunity for their current workforce is to ask, demand, cajole, insist and attempt to legally require that those who can give birth do so on demand, right now, and into the future. Some countries are demanding up to 6 offspring per person able to give birth, to settle their economic debt to the government.

This is rather difficult to achieve for countries that have used science and non-scientific methods to tip their populations to be male heavy: not enough rabbits for everyone.

Other countries are counting the effects of the lost population growth tempo, asking “please increase your night activity” or “sport en chambre” for the betterment of the government and military (a dearth of people desiring death by various explosive devices). While other countries are expecting a Lock Down Baby Bump Up that will counter the lost 3 years of education for those currently Locked Down.

There’s not a penny to be given for the above patriot duty. No food, shelter, jobs, clothing, education needed to go from -9 months to +68 years (current year of retirement in USA) and the required re-training every 3-5 years for new skills and taking into account the 50 year high tide mark which may be closer to 45 now that there’s so many applicants per job.

The other problem is that our Education System in the USA is so entangled that parents cannot teach their children even fundamentals. They have no idea what to do and a good portion of them do not have internet or can no longer afford it, so all the Zoom-Schooming isn’t helping them at all.

A COVID-19 Population Pump for more kids with less education, less money, poor food options, underpaying jobs, no healthcare, and the families have to stand on street corners to raise money for all the funerals.

note: the definition of who can give birth is generally accepted but there are some newer permutations that may also be included.

Clive Robinson October 19, 2020 4:43 AM

@ SpaceLifeForm, lurker, ALL,

Basically, to me, markdown is a solution in search of a problem.

It was a more than valid solution to a problem some time ago, but the rapid move to “browsers as a desktop” kind of removed the pressing nature of markdown for “command line usage”

It enabled documents to be written on a VT100 or similar using a very simple editor such as ed / edlin or Notepad or even the inbuilt editor in some languages such as BASIC or Forth that were the starting point for many in the 1980’s and later.

It was based around the idea of using a form of then ad-hoc structured ASCII text files that went to line printers and the like. Where “bold” and “underline” was done by causing the print head to go back along the line and then “overstrike” one or more times before advancing the page to the new line. Which was a hundred year old technique used by people using manual typewriters.

It took the even older idea of using “=” and “-” to make headings of different importance for Chapters and Sections etc and used them to change the size of a font etc.

Thus printing out the plain text file remained easily human readable, unlike that of HTML. But also if put through a filter writen for a specific printer would add in the control characters etc to change font sizes and style to produce a much nicer looking document.

However writing a filter to turn markdown into another markup language such as HTML does have it’s oddities and problems.

After all using three dots at the end of a word has multiple meanings and uses. Converting them to a single extended print set where three dots appears as a single print character means things get broken, but not obviously so when a justifing font set is used on the printer.

This blog “swallows three character text smilies” but for some reason only outputs one as a single character which is “; – )” becomes 😉 whilst the others just disapear, which is akward because smilies also often pull double duty as sentence terminators.

Winter October 19, 2020 4:57 AM

@Ismar
“The speed of progress is what matters now more then ever – it might be too little too late if the tipping point is reached before we change our behaviour for better.”

“Civilization is in a race between education and catastrophe. Let us learn the truth and spread it as far and wide as our circumstances allow. For the truth is the greatest weapon we have.”

― H. G. Wells

It seems Catastrophe is winning in many parts of the world. Especially in places where ignorance is advertised as a virtue.

stine October 19, 2020 6:25 AM

Can someone confirm this? This is a quote from an article at The Register:

“[W]e need to also remember that all copy machine/laser printer paper has encoded into it the manufacturer of that paper as well as the year and month of manufacture,” he said, according to the indictment. “For that reason I always set aside some packets of copy paper with dates on them – for potential future use.”

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Winter October 19, 2020 6:57 AM

@stine
“machine/laser printer paper has encoded into it the manufacturer of that paper as well as the year and month of manufacture”

I know that laser printers will add a steganographic watermark of origin on every print. However, I have never heard of steganographic codes embeded in pristine paper sheets. It would be relatively easy with standard physical watermarks. And that might indeed be done more often that we know.

That said, it is not exactly rocket science (or quantum cryptography?) to extract the manufacturer and age of a shred of paper. An analysis of the fibers and C14 of the paper would get you at least part of the way. The number of paper mills is not that large:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_paper_mills

Just search Google Scholar (or your favored alternative) for:
document paper forensic

Clive Robinson October 19, 2020 7:11 AM

@ Winter, All,

It has also been known for half a century that a young generation without a future is a sure-fire recipe for fascism.

Yes, now ask who would like to see the rise of fascism again?

Well certain EU economic plans are about as identical as you can get to those in Germany in the 1930’s. Likewise other nations.

Fascism is almost always seen as a good thing by those with power and influance over politicians, it is after all for a while “very good for business” and if you keep your assets off shore you can skip out to wash rinse and repeate somewhere else a little before the smarter puppet politicos realise that they need to skip out as well before they end up swinging from a lamp post or with their body parts spatially dispersed which is often the fate of less bright politicos.

As the old saying has it “Take the money and run” or better still “fly by night”.

Winter October 19, 2020 7:30 AM

@Clive
“Well certain EU economic plans are about as identical as you can get to those in Germany in the 1930’s.”

I would suggest to apply HANLON’S RAZOR here:
Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

Economic policies are generally designed by the ideologically blinded to be applied by the technocratic deafened.

Clive Robinson October 19, 2020 7:42 AM

@ stine,

Can someone confirm this?

Yes it’s been more than possible to do this for over fifty years.

Importantly it does not require a deliberate attempt to create a water mark, most raw materials have unique identifiers and most manufacturing techniques leave impressions that act as signitures much like the rifling in a gun barrel that end up on a bullet.

But adding extra information in a way that you could not determin by examining a few pieces of paper would be trivially easy in paper making.

Look up the principle behind the security marker called “Smart Water” in essence it’s a combination of trace chemicals that the combination of which gives a near unique serial number. Thus slipping different chrmicals into the water used in the papermaking process would add tiny trace chemicals across the entirety of a batch of paper no matter how finely you cut it up.

But it’s not just the paper. Nearly all paper used in or around an office or home is “finished” that is it has the equivalent of chalk or talc pushed into it’s surface to give a nicer feel to the paper, provide usefull characteristics for printer “feed mechanisms” and better surfaces for the fine plastics to adhear to in lazers and photo copiers and the inks of inkjet printers to be absorbed and quickly dry in such that smearing and spreading is significantly reduced.

Thus other chemicals could be added to the finish powders.

But storing paper in sealed dated packets is actually not suspicious in of it’s self, many who do “art” in all sorts of forms do this as do those who have to produce precision images.

I do it because of a “dirty little trick” whole sale stationary suppliers use. When you switch stationary suppliers they send you the best of batches with the best finishes etc. But over time they switch you down to the lowest or worst quality unless you complain. Keeping samples enables you to beat supply reps over the head with them, thus keep the quality of your paper and other stock high. And because you have the evidence in hand they can not talk their way out of it…

Some people even keep paper in sealed packets with ogygen and moisture absorbers inside, in the freezer. This is true of certain Japanese fine papers made in very traditional ways. This is because a few decades back due to a natural disaster the “boards” that were hundreds of years old and had been in continuous use had been destroyed. You can see with the naked eye the difference between paper made on old boards and new boards even new boards that have been in use for a couple of decades. Thus like photographic film and photographs and realy good years for coffee beans people store them in quantity for longevity in sealed packages in freezers.

Clive Robinson October 19, 2020 8:36 AM

@ name.withheld…, ALL,

An interview with Craig Murray, former UK Ambassador, about the London hearing at the Old Bailey.

I have been following the extradition proceadings of Julian Assange run by Vanessa Barrister[1] it quickly becomes clear why so little access is alowed, and it’s highly probable the main stream media have been “warned off” probably by being told that they will have access to all other UK Government News Sources removed. Which for those with memories that stretch back a little is something the Trump Executive used against various MSM journalists that were not kow towing to the executive line.

It’s always been used as anyone who has seen the UK Defence of The Realm Act and “D Notices” in use will know. But in the past it was kept infrequent and only used where there was a reasonable need. However in the “Mad Maggie” Thatcher and Ronnie “The Ray Gun” Reagan era in the 1980’s things markadly changed, and have been going down hill since. The only real question is “Have we crossed the tipping point” I rather think we have.

It’s no “State Secret” that the current UK Priminister is not exactly one for “deep thinking” just “naked power”[2][3]. Thus he subcontracts his thinking out to others such as Dominic Cummings who is not just an out and out sociopath, but due to his illegal behaviour barred from standing for political office. However he now does the Priminesters thinking for him, and he is hell bent on destroying the independence of not just the Civil Service but the Judiciary as well.

And frankly nobody appears to know how to stop the pair of them in a civilized way…

Oh and for those readers outside of the Comenwealth Countries, some things come very very cheaply such as “honours”.

It is abundantly clear that Magistrate Barrister and the Prosecution Barristers are all bucking to see their names on a New Years Honours list…

I shall be writing to the awards committee registering my protest at any such awards, and hopefully others will as well. Thus there is a small chance they can be denied the baubles of status they obviously desire.

[1] Of whom very very little is known, so little in fact she could as easily be a bit part player in a horror movie. That certainly is what she is turning the proceadings into. Even Kafka could not make it up. Stylistic analysis of the preprepared stuff she reads out from her laptop tends to point not onky is it written by other people but it has come from people involved with feeding the prosecution team. Some of whom we know from the past have arived accompanied by clearly armed gaurds and vehicles that are clearly US in origin.

[2] Which more than a few women have had the misfortune to come across as a search of newspaper archives will show.

[3] As I’ve mentioned before I once had the opportunity to give the selfish toad a seeing to. But being less selfish and more respecting of society and the people in it, I did not avail myself of the chance. In recent times almost everyday I ask myself what the “Lost Opportunity Cost” on others is of my not availing myself of the opportunity of throwing him under a bus in Westminster Sq…

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NO ID2020 NO MICROCHIP NO MARK

WO2020060606

Here is the patent for Microsoft 1. WO2020060606 – CRYPTOCURRENCY SYSTEM
USING BODY ACTIVITY DATA

Look at the patent number, literally, “world order 2020 666.” This from the same guy who is publicly saying he wants to put microchip tracking on every human on earth to prove you have been vaccinated, to allow you to buy or sell.. Bill Gates needs to Beg God for forgiveness. Science with out Gods
standards is propelling humanity towards a calamity of biblical proportions.

Even if Bill repents, Elon Musk has made and is rolling out a 5g satellite grid around the whole earth and brain chips. This is not a joke, this is some fucked up shit..

Revelation 13:16:
And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads.
Revelation 14:9:
And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, 10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy
angels, and in the presence of the Lamb.

#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#

MAKE AMERICA LOBOTOMIZED AGAIN

The Untold Story of JFK’s Sister, Rosemary Kennedy, and Her Disastrous Lobotomy
https://people.com/politics/untold-story-of-rosemary-kennedy-and-her-disastrous-lobotomy/

The Forgotten Story Of Rosemary Kennedy, Who Was Lobotomized So That JFK Could Succeed
https://allthatsinteresting.com/rosemary-kennedy-lobotomy

The Truth About Rosemary Kennedy’s Lobotomy
A never-before-seen photo surfaces of the forgotten Kennedy, who, after a disastrous lobotomy, was rarely heard from again
https://people.com/books/rosemary-kennedy-the-truth-about-her-lobotomy/

When Rosemary was 23 years of age, doctors told her father that a form of psychosurgery
known as a lobotomy would help calm her mood swings and stop her occasional violent outbursts.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosemary_Kennedy#Lobotomy

Clive Robinson October 19, 2020 8:45 AM

@ Winter,

Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

Unfortunately as is the case in the UK you have to consider that both are in effect.

That is,

“The malicious are leading the stupid.”

See Dominic Cummings in the lead role and Boris Johnson in the led role, even though he’s stupid enough to think he’s the boss.

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Right now, if I wanted a 5 mins or less setup without using a phone number, I’d choose:

cock.li

Sign up with one of their domains choices and you can use it via cock.li or if you run Tor you can use the following, AFTER you have registered:

http://mail.xdkriz6cn2avvcr2vks5lvvtmfojz2ohjzj4fhyuka55mvljeso2ztqd.onion/

You don’t have to use their webmail, but it’s nice to see a Tor Hidden Service “.onion” for fast and free e-mail. Remember to use PGP/GPG and all that….

Winter October 19, 2020 9:57 AM

@Clive
“See Dominic Cummings in the lead role”

All signs point to Cummings being a psychopath. So, yes, malice, or brutal self-interest, is a very likely part of his policies. He will have serious trouble getting elected himself, so he will always be dependent on some sock puppet.

Given that he is actively hated by a large part of the population, “most hated man in UK” were some of the headlines, his future in the lime lights seems seriously in doubt. Any role for him will likely be in the deep shadows.

As for Johnson, he seems more like Trump, a man for whom “truth” and “reality” have no meaning. Whether to call his actions malicious or plain stupid is something I still cannot decide for myself. Maybe just both?

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