Audio: Schneier v. Baker Puts Mayweather v. Pacquiao in the Shade
Episode 65 would be ugly if it weren't so much fun. Our guest is Bruce Schneier, cryptographer, computer science and privacy guru, and author of the best-selling Data and Goliath—a book I annotated every few pages of with the words, "Bruce, you can't possibly really believe this." And that's pretty much how the interview goes, as Bruce and I mix it up over hackbacks, whether everyone but government should be allowed to use Big Data tools, Edward Snowden, whether "mass surveillance" has value in fighting terrorism, and whether damaging cyberattacks are really infrequent and hard to attribute. We disagree mightily—and with civility.