Schneier on Security

Obviously So • December 29, 2020 7:59 AM

@Obviously:

“We see where troll feeding leads.”

Unfortunately not “feeding” makes this troll change food source.

And in this case has clearly stated it has no intention of stopping with,

“And trolls don’t get the last word.”

But something else about it’s behaviour that should be noted, bessides trying to bully others.

Note it assumes that the family name “Schneier” means that Bruce is either Jewish or sympathetic to Jewish culture and customs therefor can be manipulated by them. Thus the troll frames a pointless argument point around customs and practices of Jewish law.

Such an obvious tactic is embarrassing to watch and in reality will probably backfire.

I feel sorry for both @Bruce and @Moderator, because it’s obviousness will be observed by all thus @Bruce and @Moderators impartiality will be called into question by those with their own troll like behaviours as,we see already from time to time. So if they let it go, it will cause problems now. but if they hammer down on the troll it will cause them future problems from other trolls as well. So damed if they do and damed if they don’t, not a nice place to be, and it looks like the troll is not going to stop making it worse for them.

@rrd (The troll in question):

The things you mention are actually jewish law “comming of age” rituals and similar thus they are by definition not children any more. So it’s exactly the same reason children are not alowed to vote untill they have reached a legal age…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bar_and_bat_mitzvah

A point @xcv has made to you with,

“It’s a Yiddish term for something that is by no means exclusively Jewish.”

So you might want to “face-palm” or just hang your head, as you have actually provided an example in oppostion to your own argument…

An argument by the way you could only have started by quite deliberatly “taking out of context” -as pointed out by numerous others- a statment made by “Clive Robinson” of,

“There are reasons why we don’t allow people to vote untill they are 18, likewise we should not alow those under 18 to participate in religion, which realy is just an older form of political control.”

You might want to look up the age the US thinks you cease to be regarded as a child in law.

Oh and just for “shits and giggles” another example to “nail down the lid” on what many more now see as your quite deliberate “bad faith” argument,

In Western Christianity there is the “Confirmation” this practice is usually followed when adults are baptized, ordinarily by a bishop, and only when no longer considered a child. That is the child has reached “the age of reason” usually some time towards the end of adolescence. As I know Catholics who practice teen-aged confirmation, see the practice as very much as a “coming of age” or “available for marriage” rite/ritual (thus teenage pregnancy which some would regard as child explotation). Also in times past Confirmation had both legal and political implications not just under “Church Law” but “Civil Law” as handed down by Kings and occasionaly Queens and in these days despots, tyrants, dictators and other politicians, to exert yet another control on the populous. After all why do you think the founding fathers insisted on a seperation between Church and State?

But importantly those that are not “Confirmed” are “not alowed to participate” in the very basis of christian religious practices of partaking of the wine and bread that represent the blood and the body of Christ that washes away all sins (The Eucharist) likewise “Confession”. Because children are pressumed to be free of the responsability of thought thus original sin, that came about through the writings of Augustine of Hippo and earlier philosophers and theologians,

https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/guides/znqck2p/revision/4

So your knowledge on religion is looking to be quite parochial… Ammusingly a term you might not understand because “you are parochial”, it comes from the notion of a religious “parish” being small and usually inwards focused, so from Wikipedia,

“Parochialism is the state of mind, whereby one focuses on small sections of an issue rather than considering its wider context. More generally, it consists of being narrow in scope. In that respect, it is a synonym of “provincialism”. It may, particularly when used pejoratively, be contrasted to universalism. The term insularity (related to an island) may be similarly used.”

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parochialism

The immportant point for you to note is,

“contrasted to universalism”

In your outpourings that are trite at best and devoid of practical meaning you claim “universalism” that you very clearly do not possess with,

“And because the Spirit has Its own dictates, guiding us to share our love where and when It Wills.”

But further fun is to be had,

“But I’m multimoniacal”

Multimoniacal is an interesting word usage. Do you know how often it comes up in an Internet search including all those extensive US English dictionaries?

I won’t spoil the fun, I’ll let others try and find it and draw their own conclusions.

Oh and if I remember correctly “Clive Robinson” has mentioned on this blog before he has a DD (Doctorate of Divinity) that he does not use, something you might want to consider.

Therefore I for one see rather more than the smell of singed sock from powder burns in your vicinity in the near future, so a blessing much in your style, but first to quote you,

“trolls don’t get the last word. Trolls just take pot-shots, are called out for what they are, and then are defeated utterly.”

So onto the blessing,

“May you be a happy looser”.

Obviously So • December 29, 2020 4:41 PM

@Obviously:

“When asked about something he said, or criticized, he goes on offense.”

That would be easy to ignore if it were not for the fact many of his criticisms are actually personal attacks, using unfounded accusations in a quite obvious attack on the the various individuals to denigrate them in other readers eyes.

For instance his accusations of being Fascist or Fascist sympathisers or antisemetic or other “dog whistle” type attacks just on this page alone. If the @moderator diligently deleated them then it would not be as bad but some have stayed up in the past for more than a week, which is harmfull to the innocent individual targeted.

As can be seen he thinks this has in effect made him invincible thus has emboldened him to worse accusations.

What his actual intentions are is unclear, but “collecting trophy scalps” appears to be very much part of it.

Whilst he very occasionaly does make a vaguely security related post by far the majority are not. This is still against the spirit of the posting rules and others have been banned for considerably less in the past

On balance if he is ignored I do not think he will stop he will just move on to attacking other frequent posters, as can be seen on this thread. Apparently using “a fling enough mud and some will stick” attack methodology.

This tends to suggest the real target is this blog or the blogs host, and lets face it there are enough “right wing” types that come and make attacks against this blogs host to say that is a credible point.

He claims all sorts of religious mumbo-jumbo but actually has no real knowledge and is either truly ignorant or to lazy to learn enough to play a good bigot.

Further he has no debating skills and is very much ignorant of basic terms and gambits, suggesting again no basic knowledge or ability and so regularly shoots himself in the foot you would think he had no toes left by now.

For old hands his behaviour is reminiscent of “he who should not be named” who was very much an outsider pretending to be an insider and doing it so badly it was embarrassing to all.

Any way others have made analyses of his mentality etc so I’m not going to dogpile any further.

Obviously So • December 30, 2020 2:29 AM

@WmG:

It would appear the worm is wriggling on a hook of it’s own devising. Obviously so afraid of a Jonah’s fate that it empties it’s guts in hope of salvation.

Oh and for the [Narrator]: a more relevant narration for you,

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nJq7J2uzSlc