The Effectiveness of Political Assassinations

This is an excellent read:

I wouldn’t have believed you if you’d told me 20 years ago that America would someday be routinely firing missiles into countries it’s not at war with. For that matter, I wouldn’t have believed you if you’d told me a few months ago that America would soon be plotting the assassination of an American citizen who lives abroad.

He goes on to discuss Obama’s authorization of the assassination of Anwar al-Awlaki, an American living in Yemen. He speculates on whether or not this is illegal, but spends more time musing about the effectiveness of assassination, referring to a 2009 paper from Security Studies: “When Heads Roll: Assessing the Effectiveness of Leadership Decapitation“: “She studied 298 attempts, from 1945 through 2004, to weaken or eliminate terrorist groups through ‘leadership decapitation’—eliminating people in senior positions.”

From the paper’s conclusion:

The data presented in this paper show that decapitation is not an effective counterterrorism strategy. While decapitation is effective in 17 percent of all cases, when compared to the overall rate of organizational decline, decapitated groups have a lower rate of decline than groups that have not had their leaders removed. The findings show that decapitation is more likely to have counterproductive effects in larger, older, religious, and separatist organizations. In these cases decapitation not only has a much lower rate of success, the marginal value is, in fact, negative. The data provide an essential test of decapitation’s value as a counterterrorism policy.

There are important policy implications that can be derived from this study of leadership decapitation. Leadership decapitation seems to be a misguided strategy, particularly given the nature of organizations being currently targeted. The rise of religious and separatist organizations indicates that decapitation will continue to be an ineffective means of reducing terrorist activity. It is essential that policy makers understand when decapitation is unlikely to be successful. Given these conditions, targeting bin Laden and other senior members of al Qaeda, independent of other measures, is not likely to result in organizational collapse. Finally, it is essential that policy makers look at trends in organizational decline. Understanding whether certain types of organizations are more prone to destabilization is an important first step in formulating successful counterterrorism policies.

Back to the article:

Particularly ominous are Jordan’s findings about groups that, like Al Qaeda and the Taliban, are religious. The chances that a religious terrorist group will collapse in the wake of a decapitation strategy are 17 percent. Of course, that’s better than zero, but it turns out that the chances of such a group fading away when there’s no decapitation are 33 percent. In other words, killing leaders of a religious terrorist group seems to increase the group’s chances of survival from 67 percent to 83 percent.

Of course the usual caveat applies: It’s hard to disentangle cause and effect. Maybe it’s the more formidable terrorist groups that invite decapitation in the first place—and, needless to say, formidable groups are good at survival. Still, the other interpretation of Jordan’s findings—that decapitation just doesn’t work, and in some cases is counterproductive—does make sense when you think about it.

For starters, reflect on your personal workplace experience. When an executive leaves a company—whether through retirement, relocation or death—what happens? Exactly: He or she gets replaced. And about half the time (in my experience, at least) the successor is more capable than the predecessor. There’s no reason to think things would work differently in a terrorist organization.

Maybe that’s why newspapers keep reporting the death of a “high ranking Al Qaeda lieutenant”; it isn’t that we keep killing the same guy, but rather that there’s an endless stream of replacements. You’re not going to end the terrorism business by putting individual terrorists out of business.

You might as well try to end the personal computer business by killing executives at Apple and Dell. Capitalism being the stubborn thing it is, new executives would fill the void, so long as there was a demand for computers.

Of course, if you did enough killing, you might make the job of computer executive so unattractive that companies had to pay more and more for ever-less-capable executives. But that’s one difference between the computer business and the terrorism business. Terrorists aren’t in it for the money to begin with. They have less tangible incentives—and some of these may be strengthened by targeted killings.

Read the whole thing.

I thought this comment, from former senator Gary Hart, was particularly good.

As a veteran of the Senate Select Committee to Investigate the Intelligence Services of the U.S. (so-called Church committee), we discovered at least five official plots to assassinate foreign leaders, including Fidel Castro with almost demented insistence. None of them worked, though the Diem brothers in Vietnam and Salvador Allende in Chile might argue otherwise. In no case did it work out well for the U.S. or its policy. Indeed, once exposed, as these things inevitably are, the ideals underlying our Constitution and the nation’s prestige suffered incalculable damage. The issue is principle versus expediency. Principle always suffers when expediency becomes the rule. We simply cannot continue to sacrifice principle to fear.

Additional commentary from The Atlantic.

EDITED TO ADD (4/22): The Church Commmittee’s report on foreign assassination plots.

EDITED TO ADD (5/13): Stratfor

I’m assuming the ‘drug angle’ hasn’t been used here because it is a counter-example to the premise of the paper / article: think Pablo Escobar. Quite a successful and useful assassination, as I’m sure we’d all agree (unless you are all for killing busloads of civilians).

Secondly, you can’t ‘kill them all’ because in killing drug lords, you’re doing nothing to kill demand for the drugs they provide, hence another will take their place to fill the demand.

The success or justification of an assassination need not be measured in how well it serves to destroy the entire underlying organization, sometimes (I’d say usually) it’s about simply removing that one particular person.

Brandioch Conner April 20, 2010 1:39 PM

@Daniel
“Security Theater is important.”

No it’s not. It only affects the OPINION of people who don’t know enough about the situation to have an informed opinion in the first place.

In your example, the drug producers / smugglers / dealers kill more of themselves than we do.

“The second point is that it hinders the enemy organization, even if it doesn’t destroy it.”

Again, that is hierarchical thinking. The fact is that killing any single person in a drug organization will have no effect on the operations of that organization. Each step has multiple redundancies.

When you’re talking about a terrorist organization, the effect is usually the OPPOSITE of what you describe. That is because we tend to injure/kill non-combatants in the process.

Shane April 20, 2010 1:42 PM

@Brandioch

“No [security theater]’s not [important]”.

That’s a pretty broad statement. My door locks are pretty important, in that they prevent every opportuni-snoop from walking into my apartment and taking what they like free of charge, but I could scarcely call my door locks anything but security theater.

BF Skinner April 20, 2010 1:49 PM

It’s not just an expediancy vs principal argument.

Effectivness is a key element.

Too there is feeling. “I want this guy dead!” which seems to be winning the day. Rachel Maddow said (on Daily Show no less “I’d gladly kill Bin Laden with a spoon”

With killer apes like us? Likely the emotions will most often win.

Daniel April 20, 2010 1:49 PM

Shane.

“No it’s not. It only affects the OPINION of people who don’t know enough about the situation to have an informed opinion in the first place.”

Then what you really want to say is that democracy isn’t really important because in a democracy your comment covers 90% of the people in 90% of the situations they might encounter in life.

In a democracy people’s opinions DO matter. They are the ONLY thing that matters. No matter how ignorant those opinions happen to be in your eyes.

Andrew April 20, 2010 1:56 PM

Assassination is a particularly high risk, low value tactic that clouds the nature of the conflict. Napoleon noted that “The moral is to the physical as three to one.” Murder, as opposed to operations of war, surrenders the moral high ground to an asymmetric adversary. This can be played back against one with devastating effect, c.f. “Phoenix Project” in Vietnam where VC agents managed to retarget our assassination efforts against nonaligned and neutral local leaders, thereby polarizing in favor of the VC.

I hasten to add that there is nothing at all wrong with attacking one’s enemies, even unexpectedly and in places where they feel safe. Disrupting enemy command nodes and killing enemy leaders as a result is a legitimate operation of war, whether accomplished by artillery, attack drones or commandos.

The problem is that slowly killing the leadership does not materially hurt the organization, even when one takes into account the learning curve for new leaders. Like a course of antibiotics taken inconsistently, the surviving leaders become resistant (resilient).

The decision to ambush and kill Admiral Yamamoto in World War II illustrates that there is a line here. In his case, his value as a symbol was far more important than any incidental damage from the loss of his leadership. Japan had lots of admirals to step up. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Vengeance

Napoleon also observed that every soldier carries a marshal’s baton in his pack. This is particularly true of terrorist and insurgent organizations which are driven by ideology. Killing the leaders merely brings more militant followers to the top.

The obvious solution is to target the factors which lead to ideological militancy, particularly the ‘intellectuals’ (who formulate the radical ideas) and ‘evangelists’ (who spread them). However, a policy of openly targeting radical Muslim clerics would probably backfire. Assassination would have to be particularly untraceable. Lightning bolt?

Winter April 20, 2010 2:15 PM

“The obvious solution is to target the factors which lead to ideological militancy,”

You mean, like, as if, say, admitting these people might have, possibly, some sort of a REASON to hate “us” enough to kill themselves (whomever “us” you mean).

You must be one of them, obviously.

Indeed, when the mains break, you must plug the hole before you can mop up the water. Randomly killing non-operatives does not stop the flood.

These people blow themselves up instead of starting a family and have kids. In general, people tend to prefer the latter over the former.

So finding out why they rather blow themselves up might really help you in preventing new recruits from taking the empty places.

Winter

Brandioch Conner April 20, 2010 2:50 PM

@Shane
“My door locks are pretty important, in that they prevent every opportuni-snoop from walking into my apartment and taking what they like free of charge, but I could scarcely call my door locks anything but security theater.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_theater

Locks are effective in that they set a minimum level of skill required to transparently bypass them.

And that minimum level of skill is more skill than the average criminal possesses.

The problem with security theatre is that it does not raise the requirements above the skill of the average attacker. The average attacker will have no difficulty overcoming the “security” of the security theatre.

Marvin April 20, 2010 2:51 PM

Sigh. Another bogus study along the garbage in – garbage out principle made in order to confirm pre-conceived notions.
You love talking about risks, so ask yourself this: what is the likelihood of a given terrorist leader to die in an assassination? He is probably more likely to die from food poisoning and he knows it. A negligible risk had never deterred anybody from doing anything.
Or, if you like, consider the following policy of dealing with bad behaving kids. Punish them severely only once a year and let them do whatever they want the rest of the time. Do you think this is likely to work?
Assassination is a punishment. It has to be applied consistently and predictably in order for it to work. And when applied correctly it does work. What the West does is to apply it rarely, unpredictably and invariably followed by denunciations and doubts. That would never work.
You need to be a special kind of human being – an intellectual – in order not to understand simple basic facts of human behavior and then invent bogus studies to ‘prove’ it.

Brandioch Conner April 20, 2010 2:58 PM

@Daniel
“Then what you really want to say is that democracy isn’t really important because in a democracy your comment covers 90% of the people in 90% of the situations they might encounter in life.”

You’re describing “mob rule”.

Not “Democracy”.

Yes, there is a difference. Despite both forms being based upon the will of the majority.

Shane April 20, 2010 3:13 PM

@Brandioch

“Locks are effective in that they set a minimum level of skill required to transparently bypass them. And that minimum level of skill is more skill than the average criminal possesses.”

I would disagree completely, namely because the ‘minimum level of skill’ required to bypass my lock involves either A) a body weight of more than 20lbs falling toward the door in question, or B) an arm capable of swinging itself or something attached hard enough to break an 1/8″ of window pane.

I think we’d both agree that the vast majority of the population possesses one or both of these magical skills.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Devil_is_in_the_details

Brandioch Conner April 20, 2010 3:19 PM

@Shane
Your examples of breaking through the lock or breaking through the window kind of contradict the “transparently” used in my post.

Shane April 20, 2010 3:21 PM

@Brandioch

You added the ‘transparency’ stipulation to my examples, not me 😛

In reality, someone breaking into my apartment and stealing my things isn’t somehow less malicious if I wasn’t blatantly aware of the fact prior to realizing my things were missing.

Brandioch Conner April 20, 2010 3:36 PM

@Shane
“You added the ‘transparency’ stipulation to my examples, not me :P”

So? It was in my post prior to you claiming that my post was incorrect.

“In reality, someone breaking into my apartment and stealing my things isn’t somehow less malicious if I wasn’t blatantly aware of the fact prior to realizing my things were missing.”

This isn’t about you. This is about security. The locks on the door mean that the average criminal will have to make MORE noise and leave MORE traces than if those locks were not there.

In security theatre, that would NOT be the case. The security theatre would be bypassed WITHOUT requiring additional alerts / warnings / etc.

Shane April 20, 2010 4:12 PM

@Brandioch

“The locks on the door mean that the average criminal will have to make MORE noise and leave MORE traces than if those locks were not there.”

Well, I guess I didn’t realize that a lock’s true purpose with regards to security was to alert someone as to when it has been compromised.

And here I was thinking that the purpose of a lock on a door was to keep people out.

?

Shane April 20, 2010 4:15 PM

My point stands, my door locks are security theater. Their purpose is to make it difficult to enter my home without my permission. The only reason they serve this purpose is because people believe that they are serving it, when in fact, they are not.

Subsequently, my door locks are still useful.

As I’m sure most on this blog would agree, security theater definitely has its uses, and cannot be considered across-the-board ineffectual.

Sure, they can be implemented stupidly and to the detriment of the taxpayer, but the devil is in the details.

Jon April 20, 2010 6:02 PM

@ Carlo:
“It is noteworthy that the metric for effectiveness of the decapitation campaign is “chance of collapse”, not “degradation of effectiveness”.”

Fair point, except that how on earth would you objectively measure “degradation of effectiveness”? Collapse is a specific effect that is (relatively) easy to measure and comprehend. Thus it is, i think, far more useful than degredation.

Jon

Brandioch Conner April 20, 2010 6:29 PM

@Shane
“My point stands, my door locks are security theater.”

And yet banks use locks on their doors.

“The only reason they serve this purpose is because people believe that they are serving it, when in fact, they are not.”

And yet the criminals have not figured out that the locks on the banks doors are not (as you claim) effective.

Bruce has already covered this in his essays on “attack trees”.

paul April 20, 2010 6:47 PM

Why do most of the commenters seem to be operating on the notion that assassination attacks preclude other kinds of attacks (including propaganda ones) on terrorist organizations? Ideally, it’s offense-in-depth.

The bigger operational question becomes whom you want to assassinate — in movie-plot terms, do you go after 007, M, Q or Moneypenny. The evidence seems to suggest that titular leaders may be fairly easily replaced, but that really good operational expertise is limited.

Sparkles April 20, 2010 7:06 PM

Reminds me of a recent post by STRATFOR.
http://www.stratfor.com/weekly/20100222_utility_assassination

“We are not writing this as pacifists; we do not believe the killing of enemies is to be avoided. And we certainly do not believe that the morally incoherent strictures of what is called international law should guide any country in protecting itself. What we are addressing here is the effectiveness of assassination in waging covert warfare. Too frequently, it does not, in our mind, represent a successful solution to the military and political threat posed by covert organizations. It might bring an enemy to justice, and it might well disrupt an organization for a while or even render a specific organization untenable. But in the covert wars of the 20th century, the occasions when covert operations — including assassinations — achieved the political ends being pursued were rare. That does not mean they never did. It does mean that the utility of assassination as a main part of covert warfare needs to be considered carefully. Assassination is not without cost, and in war, all actions must be evaluated rigorously in terms of cost versus benefit.”

Filias Cupio April 20, 2010 7:43 PM

Clive Robinson writes:
You so often hear the question “Why was Hitler never assassinated by the allies?” The answer is quite instructive (as history generally is) and is worth looking up.

If I had a time machine and travelled back to 1935 and saw some other time traveller was about to shoot Hitler, I think I’d take the bullet for him.

Killing Hitler wouldn’t have prevented the second world war*. It might very well have meant that Germany fought with a competent leader instead. It doesn’t take much knowledge of WWII history to spot many major errors Hitler made, largely due to him believing in is own infallibility and ignoring his wiser advisers.

  • Killing Hitler in 1923 rather than 1935 might have been another matter – but nobody knew then that he would be important.

DG April 20, 2010 8:19 PM

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704130904574644632368664254.html
(Reference to Obama stating ‘we are at war’, targeting Al-Qaeda leader with drone attacks.)

http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/debates_817.asp
(Madison Debates Tuesday August 17, 1787, make versus declare war)

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503543_162-20000878-503543.html
(Al-Awlaki has been declared an enemy combatant in a war that was not declared by Congress. Is he subject to the gentle administrations of a Hellfire missile delivered by drone, or is he a criminal?)

Would it be possible for Congress to declare war on a nation not shown as a unique geopolity? In Webster’s Dictionary for nation is given as archaic to include Group or Aggregation.

Without the declaration of war, are Al-Qaeda criminals or enemy combatants? The Madison debate on ‘make war’ shows the distinction between defending from attack and making war. Seems someone trying to blow up a bomb in December or seeking material for radiological weapons are sure signs of a need for defense.

It speaks to either inability or helplessness that in the 8 1/2 years the United States can’t successfully finish defending itself. The underlying problem being that war is intended to fought against a geopolity while a guerrilla war is fought within one (or more than one) with no identifiable battlefield, no order of battle.

In the face of the inability to protect the people of the United States in the face of threats not countered by strict Constitutionalism, should be we surprised that the holes left by the founding fathers as escape clauses are exploited?

A state of war exists in the defense from attack, albeit not from invasion. The major shortcoming we see is Congress has not declared war while the last two Presidents have, in repelling a foreign attack that has gone on all too long.

You could note that in the event of a nuclear war the opposing national command authority wouldn’t be targeted under the theory that they would be the ones able to halt a nuclear exchange. In guerrilla war leaders are responsible for instigating or enabling ‘terrorist’ attacks and would be legitimate targets.

While I wouldn’t personally endorse Senator Dole’s liberal definition of ‘weapons of mass destruction’, there must be some threshold between criminality and war. Mr. Al-Awlaki appears to have crossed that threshold even as has the United States response to attack crossed the threshold between fighting crime and making war in defense from attack.

There is of course the ancillary question as to whether or not the CIA should be waging armed conflict with drones and missiles, being a civilian agency. Herein lies the perception of assassination.

As to the deterrent factor of going ‘case headless’, it depends on the efficiency – how readily new leaders can be identified and dispatched. The fear for one stepping up to assume the mantle of leadership, that they will be shortly succeeded by another offset by the perception of meeting rewards in the afterlife for their martyrdom. You’d think the perception of religious righteousness could be addressed by those holding religious authority. Is terrorism in accordance with Islam?

Can it be the ‘war on terrorism’ is larger than we perceive from the indignation over assassination (the making war by a civilian agency)? It may boil down to whether or not it’s winnable, and at what cost. How can hostilities cease and and a peace hold when one side is avowing destruction and religious extremism and is armed with Senator Doles weapons of mass destruction? You want to surrender and convert to Islam? Where’s a working middle ground?

Jon April 20, 2010 9:58 PM

@ HMD:
“However, there is much anecdotal evidence that that decapitations have a significant impact on their operational efficiency. Drone operations in Afghan-Pakistan border areas have kept the Talibans from organizing en masse and overrunning the local authorities.”

Actually, there is evidence that the drones have enabled exactly that – the overrunning of local authorities.

Prior to the drones being seemingly everywhere, all the time, AQ members were able to congregate and hang out together in a few discrete locations. The the drones came, and that became a Very Dangerous Thing To Do(tm). So they stopped doing it. Instead they’re billeted out, one or two in every house. The house owners aren’t terribly wild about it, but can’t do a lot about it. In a kind of valid Stockholm Syndrome response, it is the drones that are blamed for the imposition, and sympathy and support for AQ is increasing.

Talk about your blow-back. Who’d a-thunk that the enemy would improvise, adapt, and overcome?

Jon April 20, 2010 10:12 PM

@ Kristian:
“Wasn’t there a Bruce who discussed computer security?”

The third line from the top of this page reads, in its entirety, “A blog covering security and security technology.”

So, yep, Comp Sec is discussed, but that isn’t the total universe of “security and security technology” 😉

Jon

Marian Kechlibar April 21, 2010 2:49 AM

My $0.02…

  1. “The moral is to the physical as three to one.” – well, in Napoleon’s time, you didn’t have that big differences in the physical.

Modern weaponry creates need to … revise … this quote. To a large extent, the horrendous massacres of the World War I were caused by the unwillingness of the staff to take into account how much have machine guns altered the above mentioned equation.

  1. A substitute for your killed executive may be more capable, but lacks the experience. If someone droned Bruce Schneier tomorrow, I doubt that Counterpath could survive well, even if some of his talented students took his place. 20-30 years experience simply counts a lot.

This does not involve only executives…

It has been noted by the CIA (?) that in Iraq, from the tens of thousands (possibly hundreds of thousands) of insurgents, only between 50-100 were capable of manufacturing reliable detonators for IEDs. Experts of EODs were actually often able to determine which guy wired which IED based on the tiny remnants of the detonator. Loss of each such expert (prison, killing or just defection) can’t be easily replaced; the expert knowledge is scarce.

Nick April 21, 2010 3:23 AM

One of the best things that can happen to a terrorist/”liberation” organisation, from the point of view of its opponents, is for its leader(s) to get old. Look at examples such as Yasser Arafat or the leaders of the Irish Republican Army. As 30-year-olds powered by testosterone, they were happy to be outsiders. When they get to 50 or 55, their “politician” side comes out: they want to come in from the cold and get their hands on some of that money which governments tend to have (it’s been claimed that Arafat syphoned off the better part of a billion dollars), plus some of the power too. These guys are little different from the politicians you find in a democracy: arrogant, pretty sure of themselves, keen on exercising power. So it’s plausible that by bringing in a fresh hothead every few years you just keep the violence going.

GreenSquirrel April 21, 2010 3:49 AM

Ref ongoing debate:

Are door locks security theatre?

Personally I dont think so. They are not theatre in the manner that making people take their shoes off at an airport is.

I agree that not all locks count as a “security feature” and some are trivially easy to bypass but they all provide an element of privacy and make it impossible for anything short of a skilfull attacker to bypass without leaving evidence.

I think it would be worth everyone reviewing what they think of as security theatre before we fall into the fallacy of everything being theatre.

Can we all agree that Security Theatre is an overt demonstration of “doing something” that fails to improve security in any measurable way but seeks to make people think “something is being done?”

Or is there a better way to describe it?

GreenSquirrel April 21, 2010 4:07 AM

@ Marian Kechlibar at April 21, 2010 2:49 AM

“Modern weaponry creates need to … revise … this quote. To a large extent, the horrendous massacres of the World War I were caused by the unwillingness of the staff to take into account how much have machine guns altered the above mentioned equation.”

My understanding of Napoleons quote might be wrong, but the horrors of WWI were the result of leaders forgetting the moral issue of conflict and relying on the physical.

I had assumed Napoleon was talking about the need to win the war across the board not just by strength of arms – which again was the problem in WWI, physical ran roughshod over the moral victory and left the seeds of the Holocaust in place.

“A substitute for your killed executive may be more capable, but lacks the experience. If someone droned Bruce Schneier tomorrow, I doubt that Counterpath could survive well, even if some of his talented students took his place. 20-30 years experience simply counts a lot.”

Very true, but there are significant differences when it comes to targetting terrorist leaders:

1 – the very good ones are also going to be good at avoiding the strikes, assassination attempts will normally end up targetting the ones who are messing up and become vulnerable.

2 – It assumes that intelligence on who is actually the highly skilled leader / bomb maker etc is 100% accurate otherwise we are just acting as an extension of terrorist power struggles.

3 – Expert knowledge is indeed scarce but as long as a few bomb makers survive the attacks will continue. In Northern Ireland for example, there were very few actually competent bombers but they were heavily protected and the people delivering the bombs were normally foot soldiers who didnt mind suffering for the cause. Without an almost magical level of intelligence you might get some of the skilled bombers but mostly you would be picking off the mid tier.

4 – Terrorist recruitment is very likely to increase. Nothing serves as a rallying call to a community like the perception of gross injustice being carried out against them by an outsider. No amount of PR / PsyOps can counter the street talk that the evil [Americans/Brits/French/whoever] killed poor [Johnny/Seamus/Fahid/whoever] by mistake and that they are indiscriminantly targetting the community. This is what insurgent leaders rely on to get fresh blood in.

5 – Our assumption of the leaders impact might be wrong (Hitler is an oft used example) and in reality there is a more competent leader in the background waiting for a chance to take over. This has happened througout history so there is no reason to assume that (for example) UBL doesnt have a very highly skilled and motivated subordinate who, in the event UBL was removed, wouldnt increase the operational effectiveness of AQ. There is no reason to be sure that the leadership they have is their best possible one.

6 – as Nick and others have mentioned, Old people sometimes calm down their revolutionary fire and decide peace is a better option (Gerry Adams / Martin McGuinness / Ian Paisley are good examples). If you kill them before they can bring their organisations off a war footing, you prevent this and ensure the leadership is always full of revolutionary fervour. Is this really a good thing?

All of that aside, even if it were effective is doing the right thing less important than winning? Victory at all costs is often more costly than people realise. King Pyrrhus of Epirus might have a thing or two to say on that topic.

Chirol April 21, 2010 9:31 AM

“For starters, reflect on your personal workplace experience. When an executive leaves a company — whether through retirement, relocation or death — what happens? Exactly: He or she gets replaced. And about half the time (in my experience, at least) the successor is more capable than the predecessor. There’s no reason to think things would work differently in a terrorist organization.”

This is faulty logic. Unlike legitimate and legal professions, there are a limited number of terrorists. Moreover, even fewer have years of combat experience and training as well as a good network of contacts. As veterans die off and are assassinated, the organization is degraded.

Sean April 21, 2010 9:54 AM

Heh, we’ve definitely entered the “Age of Empire”, assassination soon to be an acceptable method of regime change. Anyone care to join “The Assassin’s Guild”?

Stewart Dean April 21, 2010 10:26 AM

It seems to me, as a free-thinker who sees power and imperialism as
an endless sinkhole that has bankrupted and destroyed every country
that has reached for them down through the annals of history, that the whole business of being the
world’s policeman (repeat after me 1000 times, “We are not
imperialists, we are just helping the world”) is utterly thankless
and even pisses those we “help” off…which is putting it
mildly. To say nothing of a) how expensive all those forces and war
toys are and b) how, if you have them, you’ll end up using them..and
using them in more and more condign ways…now habeas corpus is
shredded, our communications are monitored and torture is just plain normal, etc. etc. Even Obama, our great hope, loves that absolute power.
Mmmmm, good.

Brandioch Conner April 21, 2010 11:19 AM

@GreenSquirrel
“Can we all agree that Security Theatre is an overt demonstration of “doing something” that fails to improve security in any measurable way but seeks to make people think “something is being done?”

Or is there a better way to describe it?”

How about combining it with Bruce’s other work on “attack trees”.

If the action taken does not close the identified attack avenue OR if it does not close an easier (more likely) attack avenue, then it is “security theatre”.

Example of the first case: Taking your (clothing item) shoes off at the airport is security theatre because it does not prevent explosives being carried in your (clothing item) underwear.

Example of the second case: Putting bars on a window that is right next to a door without a lock.

A Finn April 21, 2010 12:30 PM

Filias Cupio:
“Killing Hitler in 1923 rather than 1935 might have been another matter – but nobody knew then that he would be important.”

That might have given Stalin a free reign.
As a Finn I consider this important.

Besides I don’t think it would have solved the problems due to the Treaty of Versailles.

Perhaps FDR should have been assassinated instead (in 1943 or 1944), leading to a stronger leader who wouldn’t have honoured the secret protocol of the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact at Yalta Conference?

@Stewart Dean:
“World police” is justifiable and just.
“Police, judge, jury and the executioner” is not.
That is, the UN should be involved.

HJohn April 21, 2010 1:11 PM

@Clive: “Even with Sadam the results where completely counter productive…”


I think the Saddam situation perhaps makes an even better example that the Hitler analogy. Since Hitler is, right left and in-between, nearly universally synonymous with evil, most can say things like “if Hitler were assassinated” without much argument, save for the common “but we didn’t know then.” But people on both sides don’t really argue much about the reasoning given him as basically an incarnation of evil.

Saddam provides a pretty realistic example of how assassinations could be counterproductive (even though he wasn’t assassinated). Without discussing the pros and cons of deposing him, except to say I acknowledge good arguments on both sides, at the time he was deposed Saddam had racked up a body count of, according to the NY Times, 800,000, which didn’t even include the 300,000 Kurds that were gassed. Even so, despite there being a documented history of nearly 1.1 million corpses know about, there was quite a backlash over deposing him. So, while it is easy to say Hitler could/should have been stopped to save 6 million, it is hard to overestimate what the backlash would have been before the Holocaust based on recent history.

I find the hindsight bias disparity on both fascinating and depressing, to be honest.

Again, my point is not pro or con, or to defend or criticize. I make an honest effort not to get too political here. It is a great example of how political assassinations are likely counterproductive however you slice it. If there was severe backlash for deposing a tyrant (Saddam) AFTER a 1.1 million corpse count, imagine the backlash for deposing a tyrrant-to-be (Hitler) BEFORE a corpse count.

In other words, damned if you do damned if you don’t.

Of course, I also asked the question: what if you are wrong about someone? (and even if you aren’t, if you prevent something such as a holocaust, how in the world could it ever be proven that you saved a million lives or so?)

anonymous April 21, 2010 1:51 PM

HJohn: “there was severe backlash for deposing a tyrant (Saddam) AFTER a 1.1 million corpse count”

There was a good reason for the backlash. He wasn’t killing them anymore (at least not that much) and governments killing people isn’t usually a good idea. Like we saw, he was the guy keeping the country together and the terrorists out (dictators don’t like them).
Maybe he could have been forced to guide the country to democracy and then resign and flee somewhere with some serious cash. He might have got away with the murders (although private entrepreneurs would have soon surfaced to fix that or the Iraqi government could have backed out on the deal after some time), but many lives would have been saved.

HJohn April 21, 2010 2:16 PM

@anonymous: “There was a good reason for the backlash. He wasn’t killing them anymore (at least not that much) and governments killing people isn’t usually a good idea. ”


I’m trying to avoid the topic of whether deposing him was right or wrong. But he was still killing and torturing people. That’s a documented fact, not an argument I’m making one way or another.

In a nutshell, point I’m trying to make is this: If people are not moved to support deposing Saddam based on what he has done (the 1.1 million he killed and those he is continuing to kill), they are unlikely to be moved to support assassinating someone based on what they haven’t done.

I think that is a fair, non-partisan conclusion.

dragonfrog April 21, 2010 2:55 PM

Well, off the top of my head, I can think of one religious organization that it’s almost impossible to imagine its having survived without the assassination of their leader – the Christian religion(s).

On second thought, please don’t off the top of my head – I’m still using it, and I’m not even the leader of my own housecats.

HJohn April 21, 2010 3:25 PM

@dragonfrog at April 21, 2010 2:55 PM

Not sure what that has to do with this post, but “offing the tops of heads” isn’t something typically associated with Christian leaders. Google Daniel Pearl and Nick Berg if you want to find a threat to discuss the topic.

If you’d like to discuss political assassinations, you’re in the right place. I’ve argued using Hitler and Saddams as real world “what if” and “after the fact” analogies, and my conclusion is that they are a no-win proposition.

Marian Kechlibar April 22, 2010 2:19 AM

@GreenSquirrel at April 21, 2010 4:07 AM

Thank you for addressing my points with a very thoughtful analysis. I feel compelled to answer with some counter-points of mine 🙂

WWI: This is definitely the field where reasonable people can disagree. My overall impression of the trench warfare is as a situation where humans were put against machinery which outpowered them, and, as a result, the commanders relied on discipline, patriotism and sometimes executions to make the troops climb the trench once more and try once more a human-wave attack. These seem to be instruments of morale to me; but this is probably not the right place where to discuss the Great War… alas.

1+3 – It is harder nowadays to avoid decapitating strikes than during the Troubles. The surveillance technology has developed a lot. Nevertheless, some of the highly valued experts will certainly survive. But I am not trying to claim that assassinations of experts is a war-winning strategy in itself. It is rather part of an overall war of attrition.

2 – Now this is a very serious flaw of the entire targeted killing design. Killing innocent people, even accidentally, is always a major propaganda coup for the adversary, a good recruiting tool, and ammunition for the media weapon. This can be only solved by very good surveillance before the strike, including HUMINT skilled in local culture. I am not sure whether any army currently has the resources (let alone the knowledge) to execute such actions without droning some school or wedding from time to time.

4 – Terrorism recruiting is a complicated matter, at least David Kilcullen argues so in the “Accidental Guerilla” book. I trust him, because he spent a lot of time studying ongoing and historical insurgencies. His basic motto is that no one wants to be the last to die for a lost cause. I can’t see any simple connection between death of an insurgent commander and increase of recruitment. It probably depends on the culture (does it worship martyrdom or is it an alien concept?), on the tactical situation… Loss of a leader can be demoralizing in some conditions.

5 – True about highly hierarchical organizations in order-loving countries, such as was the Nazi party in Germany. But in chaotic terrains like FATA and Afghanistan, where the local tribesmen (Pashtun) value their personal freedom highly, a more competent leader would not probably wait in shadow of a less competent too long; he would break off and create his own group, only loosely affiliated to the main organization, but practically working independently.

6 – True enough. But it depends on demographics. If there is a strong youth bulge, the young hotheads will probably not be content with their ageing leaders and their softening, and will create another, more radical organization (see Hamas in Gaza, with its very high population growth). If there is population transition, such as in Ireland, the young will be less numerous than the old warriors, and will respect them more.

7 – Entirely true. In case of the USA, it can’t be militarily defeated, but it can well go bankrupt by combination of too high public spending (both war and social) and an economic recession.

Russell Coker April 22, 2010 4:09 AM

Frank suggested that if you kill enough “terrorist” leaders then the quality will decline.

I suspect that if terrorist leaders are never killed then the ones that become the senior leaders will be the best at negotiating with other terrorists – which would be a good thing if you want to try and negotiate a cease-fire or have them transition to a legitimate form of government (like Sinn Fein).

If however leaders are killed routinely then you will end up with leaders who have no personal fear of death (IE ones that will launch particularly savage and audacious attacks) and leaders who are very defensive and therefore difficult to track and intercept. By killing leaders whenever possible you may select for more effective leadership.

As “terrorists” comprise a small portion of the population it seems that any strategy which involves killing some of them while offending more of the general population is not going to do any good. Giving the “terrorists” a fair trial and demonstrating that you are better than them seems like a better option.

Some people make analogies to corporate executives, if a small portion of executives were killed then it probably wouldn’t change anything – there are lots of people who want the significant rewards of an executive position. I suspect however that if someone started killing middle-management then it could rapidly make a difference. Probably most people who would risk their life for an executive salary would quit if asked to take a similar risk for middle-management income.

I suspect that the lower levels of terrorist organisations may have a good number of people who are less committed. There’s no doubting the commitment of suicide-bombers, but the people who recruit and instruct them are less committed and can possibly be convinced to try other careers.

Russell Coker April 22, 2010 4:55 AM

NC: Good point about being a depraved society if the only reason why we don’t do bad things is because it doesn’t work. But please note that most people who use the “it doesn’t work” argument are trying to convince depraved people.

Carlo Graziani: If you have a war zone then lots of people get technical expertise, there are lots of people ready to train them. Remember that OBL was trained by the CIA. Now if you killed the people with the expertise AND created conditions that prevented others from gaining such expertise – then you would probably end up with much the same result as if you just prevented people from gaining the expertise.

nobodySpecial: ROFL. Fidel Castro was no threat, apart from letting the USSR place some missiles in Cuba (which he couldn’t refuse given that Soviet support was needed to supply oil and other essential commodities) he showed no signs of wanting to anything other than rule Cuba.

Marian Kechlibar April 22, 2010 5:25 AM

@Posted by: Russell Coker at April 22, 2010 4:09 AM

The selection of leaders who are more savage, brutal and have less fear of death is logical. But such leaders are often less competent, not more, when it comes to the objectives of the insurgency.

Most, if not all, insurgencies strive to dominate some territory and drive the prevailing power (either occupier, or a local government) out. Body count is only a side effect.

For survival of the insurgency, support or at least not-outright-hostility of the local population is an absolute necessity.

Ruthless and cruel insurgent leaders will probably not just kill the enemy, but also commit atrocities over the more reluctant civilians in the area, as shown by FLN in Algeria and Islamic State in Iraq in Al-Anbar province.

If, under such situation, can the prevailing power present itself as less rabid and evil, it may get the population on its side, and diminish the insurgency’s operating space. Even a few masked informers/traitors (pick your words) can seriously damage an insurgency which faces a technically more equipped enemy.

Russell Coker April 22, 2010 5:33 AM

HJohn: There are a variety of claims about how many people Saddam killed. But the claims about the number of needless deaths as a direct result of the US invasion are more reliable.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/10/AR2006101001442.html

According to research published in Lancet in the period until July 2006 the invasion of Iraq caused about 655,000 excess civilian deaths (half of them women and children). Presumably that number is a lot higher nowadays. It seems quite plausible that the US invasion is responsible for considerably more Iraqi deaths than Saddam.

Of course this is all entirely unrelated to assassination as Saddam was not assassinated. He was captured after his country was invaded, he was tried, and then he was sentenced to death. Also immediately prior to being captured as far as is known he was not associated with any insurgency, so it’s not as if capturing him had much direct effect on what happened. I suspect that in terms of propaganda imprisoning him for life would have been a better option.

Marian Kechlibar April 22, 2010 7:00 AM

Russell:

Saddam was definitely a political goner after 2003, but the question is still interesting for his sons Uday and especially heir-designated Qusay. Who were killed in combat, not by judicial hanging.

HJohn April 22, 2010 8:25 AM

@Russell: “Of course this is all entirely unrelated to assassination as Saddam was not assassinated. ”


It’s true that he wasn’t assassinated, he was deposed. However, the relationship is with backlash. I don’t think it is a leap to say that if there is backlash for deposing a leader AFTER the mass murder of 1.1 million, there is likely to backlash for assassinating a leader before such murders.

I don’t that in that context it is unrelated.

I’m going to leave the oft-quoted 655,000 number aside since I never intended this to be a debate about Iraq, I just believed it to be a good illustrator of backlash.

Clive Robinson April 22, 2010 8:36 AM

@ HJohn,

“In other words, damned if you do damned if you don’t.”

Yes but where’s the tipping point 😉

From my limited study of history I would err on the side that says assassination is “the more expensive” option, and achieves considerably less than you would hope, and is almost always counter productive.

Or to put it another way the best intel is normally humint, and the closer a source is to a leader the better the intel. Now getting a source close to a leader is a long involved and expensive process at the best of times. Chop the leader out and your investment in the source is more than likely to be flushed.

Then there is the question of president if you as a leader put a price on the head of your opponents leader you are also saying it’s ok for others to put a price on your head. That is what you do to your opponent, you also do unto yourself. Or as the Bible put it “Do unto others…”.

With regards to Sadam cutting back on the numbers of people he was killing, this is actually not that unexpected, it’s called “Making a name for yourself” or “making your mark”. The harder and more brutally you enter the political ring as a dictator in general the less problems you have and the less people you have to kill down the line especially when you bring “good times” for everybody else.

There is that interesting moral question under a dictator of what do you get/lose by opposition to them. You might be morally opposed but if they have also raised your standard of life to a much greater amount than it would otherwise have been… Then also if you know with what amounts to certainty that your lot under a new “dictator” will be a whole lot worse (they only had to look across the border to Iran)…

Not wishing to ruffle feathers, there where two stabilizing influences in the middle east Iraq and Israel. The dynamic between the two was what kept others well away from the ring side. Unfortunately those who should have know better decided to change the dynamic, it took the pressure off and all the nasties crawled out into the light of day…

It would be nice to say that it was an “unexpected result” however it was not the first example of it’s type, think of what happened after Tito in Yugoslavia, and that mess we are still trying to tidy up…

Strong secular leaders bring stability and in general peace (all be it at the point of a loaded gun), weak or non-secular leaders bring opportunity thus multi facet conflict and invariably death amongst the bystanders innocent or otherwise in the hail of crossfire.

It really does not overly matter if people believe or not if Saddam was “assassinated” or that he was deposed by an invading government who then imposed a pseudo government onto the country and they in turn executed Saddam. What matters is the end result and to be honest it’s not been good for either the invaders or those who call Iraq their home.

HJohn April 22, 2010 9:09 AM

@Clive Robinson at April 22, 2010 8:36 AM

Iraq and Saddam are a topic that can keep good and honorable people debating for a very long time.

I’ve tried not to debate the topic since it gets too political, but when reading your comment I will say something about myself that falls on boths sides. The thought of Saddam gassing children made me yearn for justice for him and liberation for his people, and I dared to believe the perhaps our Iraqi brothers and sisters may have a future that was not under brutal despotism. However, in retrospect, that seems to have been uninformed wishful thinking. I suspect I’m not alone in that.

No matter how good the intentions or had bad those you are trying to help have it, there is a lesson to be learned about this, whether we call it assassinating or deposing, is we cannot underestimate what useful propoganda it will make for our enemies.

What one does is important, but how others perceive it is important as well.

Craig April 22, 2010 12:15 PM

From a security perspective, on the whole you must believe what the statistics, numbers and history show, even though your heart will make you believe the opposite.

Anon April 23, 2010 5:22 AM

The title is a misnomer. Is it political – or strategic assasinations? Hard to decide but I doubt the US would ever do political assasinations.

Btw really impressive job with the fog machines in Smolensk. Very discreet and hard to prove. Russian weathermaking technology rules.

Hans Beta May 5, 2010 7:35 AM

Mr. Schneier, you appear the most competent when you’re addressing computer security issues–otherwise, not so much.

Seegras May 15, 2010 7:32 AM

Actually, Political Assassinations fail consistently to achieve any goal which might be associated with “more freedom”, including democracy.

It consistently produces more tyrants and less civil rights.

The assassination of King Louis XVIII lead to the Directoire and finally the tyrant Napoleon. Or read the list of roman emperors assassinated — there’s always an equally bad one to follow, and if not, that one surely gets murdered by a bad one.

The assassination of Yitzhak Rabin lead to war-mongers taking office (yes, that one achieved its goal: because the goal was “less freedom” to begin with). The same goes with some of those assassinations the CIA did in south america.

And so it goes troughout history. If you don’t have a fascist or prohibitionist agenda, political assassination is sure to backfire.

Leo May 17, 2010 1:02 PM

Another analogy may be organized crime; the mafia demonstrated over the last 20 years that it’s management trainee program was conspicuously bad.

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