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Schneier on SecurityA blog covering security and security technology. « New Orleans Scrapping Surveillance Cameras | Main | Me at TED » October 29, 2010The Militarization of the InternetGood blog post. Posted on October 29, 2010 at 6:48 AM • 23 Comments To receive these entries once a month by e-mail, sign up for the Crypto-Gram Newsletter. charlie • October 29, 2010 7:14 AM I don't think it is about declaring "war". After all that is a congressional decision which is why nobody does it. The key question is state vs. non-state. China, Russia etc have the ability to project power via non-state actors. Does the US? No. Natanael L • October 29, 2010 7:27 AM This isn't so much related to the article you linked to, but I want to ask what you think about the security of this: Chris • October 29, 2010 7:47 AM Humans have militarized every physical and virtual domain they have encountered -- land, sea, air, space, and now cyberspace -- it is species-specific behavior and won't stop. The US has promoted militarization and responded to it in a consistent fashion throughout the historical eye-blink of its national existence -- isolationist, then sub-rosa activist, then activist, and periodic leader. What has modulated this behavior is US political will. Where there was a will, no matter how delayed and perhaps inconstant, the country protected its interests, but usually at a steeper price than need have been paid. Does the US have the will for this round? Can (not will, this time) it pay the price? I've my doubts. Ben • October 29, 2010 7:47 AM This is the exact same pattern that was used to drive creation of the US Cyber Command over the past few years. Each year the rhetoric was ratcheted up a notch until they finally got what they wanted. The general population does not understand the Internet or the concept of cyberwar, and thus are easily manipulated through FUD. The mainstream media seems to be no better. BF Skinner • October 29, 2010 8:19 AM @charlie "Does the US? No." It's what CIA's SOG does. And there are reports they are adding cyberspace to their operations portfolio (but duh.) Arkh • October 29, 2010 8:45 AM "Given all this, aren’t nations entitled to fear the consequences of a “free and open” internet?" Brandioch Conner • October 29, 2010 9:55 AM The best part is this. "Should law enforcement be able to require all technologies online to have “back doors” allowing officials to (essentially) require that the same information be produced to them that was produced during the circuit-switched telephone era?" Now, what would happen should ALL of the FUD be realized? Chinese agents cracking law enforcement's back-doors into your communications with your bank. But able to blame it on the Israelis. Trichinosis USA • October 29, 2010 11:07 AM Guess now we're finding out what all those "reserved for future use" spots in the IP header bitmask are for... Stallings, "Handbook of Computer Communications Standards", Vol 3, page 47. Shane • October 29, 2010 11:54 AM For all the good fringe blogging ever seems to do, we might as well print all of our best arguments for privacy onto on thousands of rolls of toilet paper, and distribute them to the cleaning crews at the capital. That way, our legislative bodies can at least read up on all the freedoms they're flushing down the toilet *while* they're wiping their assess with them. We really just have to stop voting these idiots into office in the first place. Shane • October 29, 2010 12:04 PM How ironic that lately there is so much talk about the constitution, the declaration, our founding fathers, the bill of rights, et al... yet for all the warnings even a nearly illiterate citizen can plainly see in our founding documents, we might as well be giving them all a great big middle finger when it comes to protecting what so many Americans gave their lives to instill some 230-odd years ago. All thanks to the conveniences of technology, and the masses' ignorance thereof. Well, that mixed with a few sprinkles of 'boogey-man' powder to spice it up a bit. Davi Ottenheimer • October 29, 2010 12:25 PM I'm at first reminded of the NSA project to fingerprint attacks to ensure retribution is properly targeted. This is like an interim step. Authentication is not required for all if accurate targeting can be developed. On the other hand the conventional weapon accurate targeting systems seem to be less than perfect so it's hard to imagine something better will emerge in IT. I'm second reminded of the Dutch Police who not only took over control of a botnet this week but then used the handy "back door" it gave them to modify computers without authorization to alert the victims. http://www.flyingpenguin.com/?p=7644 @ charlie Wow, really. The US is of course projecting power through non-state actors. Why in the world would you think it would not? 9-11 • October 29, 2010 1:39 PM The blog has a good point in the beginning: Sometimes the stories are not strategically in the best locations, but people SHOULD pay attention to what kind of stories they are being offered in the newspapers. Because whether the stories are REALLY true or not, they are often portrayed as such, and with enough stories comes a change in mentality in the believing population. What are the factors that then cause a person to believe in the stories? One major factor is trust. If the reader thinks that "my government [or people here in my land] would never [say or do something bad]" they will be less willing to question what has been told. Clive Robinson • October 29, 2010 1:58 PM Not being funny but Militarization is an old fashioned concept, it goes back to the time of full time paid militia acting as a standing defence of a Nations integrity. People tack the word Cyber on the front of exisiting words in the hope of transfering some meaning to others. In reality mostly what it does is to confuse ordinary mortals and most definatly persons of a purely Political bent. First off the Internet does not unlike a plot of land have physical boarders. What it does have in some places are "choke points". However these are one heck of a sight more difficult to maintain than borders are. The Internet is not tangable in that it does not really have a physical actuality the addresses of it's data sources and sinks have no physical location constraints and can be moved almost at will. The only physical part is simply a vast collection of communications channels, relays and switches that move the almost ephemeral data around. Thus anybody can change the intangable internet topology at any time simply by plugging another relay in between any two points of their chosing, or by changing a single entry in a router table, with care it will go undetected almost indefinatly. The point needs making that unlike the physical world the Internet is a world of information that is effectivly unconstrained by energy costs to an attacker. Thus as a conciquence a single person can have with a modicum of skill an effectivly infinate force multiplier and can raise and control a hugh array of attacking automata that can pass almost undetected for months (think Stunex and other APT ideas). Again unlike the physical world the Internet currently does not have a realistic distance cost metric. That is all places are effectivly local to each other. Because of this even "choke points" do not represent any realistic limitation to an attacker. Likewise neither does the "big off switch" idea have any credability. For instance I can place a malware seed in any location either by time delay or by providing my own comms bridge to the other side of the any "choke point" any athority is likely to put in place. With any large or public network you are deluding yourself when it comes to "access security" by "physical measure" it almost always can be trivialy negated and as such just cann't be made to work. People need to remember that working around faults of all kinds was one of the original design requirments and is very much "built in" to the protocols the Internet works on. Then when you consider what vectors are available it is apparent the OS has been a major source of vectors (less so currently). Basicaly when it comes to OS security we talk a good game but... lets be honest Stunex had atleast four zero days and a stolen signing certificate. As has been said in a song about a goat that head butted a dam "he had high hopes" and "opps there goes another...." Yes we do know how to make things more secure BUT it's the weakest links that generaly defines the strength of the overal chain, and we all know or aware of a great number of "failed to patch" or "can't patch systems directly or indirectly connected to the Internet... Thus personaly I will not be holding my breath over this Militarization idea acheiving anything helpful. But who knows maybe a rabbit can magicaly appear in a hat, rather than just giving the illusion it has. bob (the original bob) • October 29, 2010 3:09 PM Shouldnt it be more like "RE-militarization" or "escalation" since the internet was created for military purposes in the first place? (granted they were "electronic support measures" rather than "electronic counter-measures" back then.) Brad Wheeler • October 29, 2010 4:31 PM This is becoming a familiar story, and I think that Bruce himself frames the problem excellently in his post to his TEDx speech - here we have an agent (the government) with an agenda (securing the United States against attack), which is able to exploit the fact that people's feelings (that we're under serious threat by foreigners, especially the tech-savvy Chinese) and their models (a reporting bias in the media leads to over-reporting of successful and spectacular web hacks) are pretty similar. So naturally, they're not interested in revealing that the reality is that "cyberwar" as a concept is seriously problematic, and even if it wasn't, the massive invasion of our privacy that certain government officials are proposing is arguably not the best way to conduct it. Sasha • October 29, 2010 7:27 PM Posted by: Shane at October 29, 2010 12:04 PM the bill of rights, et al... we might as well be giving them all a great big middle finger when it comes to protecting what so many Americans gave their lives to instill some 230-odd years ago. - end quote. The Bill of Rights means nothing. It isn't even a contract and it was pushed in secrecy behind closed doors without any consent by any citizen. Thus it doesn't even have legal binding, because a bill signed 230 years ago (by and for people who are all dead now) cannot bind anyone living here and now. Imagine you create a contract to which your great great grandchildren must obey in the future for thousands of years, sounds feasible? Not to me it is. We The People actually meant: "We the people, living 230 years ago". Read up on Lysander Spooner for more gems. James • October 29, 2010 7:59 PM What I find interesting in the discussion that the origins of the internet are in DARPA, i.e the DoD. This is the military. I'm not saying they should "take it back" because that's not possible, but it's interesting how they're going back to trying to get what they supported in the first place. Imperfect Citizen • October 30, 2010 12:32 PM I can't understand why they don't take more time to audit the data and clean up the observations if they don't want people to blog about them. PC.Tech • October 30, 2010 2:40 PM There will be little or NO support (from those who PAID for it originally) for a "kill switch" or "militarization" of the Web. The rest is blather. Dave Funk • November 1, 2010 1:23 PM Sasha, If bills were only binding to the generation that signed them, the US debt would be a lot easier to solve. pau1 • November 5, 2010 6:10 AM disappointed i was not the first to make a smarmy observation that the inter-tubes started off as a department of defense project. as malcolmX noted, looks like the chickens have come home to roost.
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