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Schneier on SecurityA blog covering security and security technology. « What is a Hacker? | Main | New Diebold Vulnerability » September 14, 2006Defeating a Coin-Op Copy MachinePosted on September 14, 2006 at 2:20 PM • 14 Comments • View Blog Reactions To receive these entries once a month by e-mail, sign up for the Crypto-Gram Newsletter. I remember as a young punk, getting free calls from certain payphones by closing a circuit betweent the mic in the handset and the metal of the coin slot. I doubt that would work anymore, but you never know... Posted by: dragonfrog at September 14, 2006 2:58 PM I can't wait for the countermeasure that puts 2OO volts on the red and black wires. And the college policy change that says carrying a paper-clip is evidence of intent to hot-wire photocopiers. Posted by: electron at September 14, 2006 3:18 PM Now, *that's* a h4xx0r! Perfect follow-on from your previous post, Bruce. Posted by: zoobnoobie at September 14, 2006 3:27 PM I remember another coin phone trick from my young days. Back when pay phones had three coin slots (nickel, dime and quarter) it was easy to drop a nickel and at exactly the right time, bang the coin return button. The nickel would bounce twice and the phone would think it was a dime. If you were really good, you could do the same thing with a penny in the nickel slot. Posted by: grumpcastdotcom at September 14, 2006 3:36 PM This is an old one, updated. 20 years or so ago, the Bates College library copiers had little counter boxes distributed at the circulation desk. They noted the count, then you plugged into the side of the machine. Hit "copy" and the counter incremented by one. Take it back and pay for the copies you made. Problem (feature?) was, that there was a time interval between hitting "copy" and the increment of the counter. You could pull the counter out during that interval and get an uncounted (free) copy. If you practiced, you could lightly balance the counter box against its contacts and very slightly move it to break contact during your window of opportunity. An interesting point of failure for what ought to have been a pretty simple system. Alas, no ACID-tested transactions in the mechanical counter. Posted by: Gary in DC at September 14, 2006 3:53 PM We had a soft drink machine in the dorm that would take a penny and give you a soda and 15 cents change. I was called in as the resident mathematician to tell them how many nickels they would have to feed back in to keep the machine from running out of change. (When the exact change light was on, it wouldn't take pennies any more.) Posted by: Kevin Davidson at September 14, 2006 3:54 PM damn, by the time i got into phreaking, you guys' young days had long passed and the best way i'd found to fake out payphones was to take one of the many non-functional redboxes out there, call the operator complaining that the phone was eating your coins without giving you credit for them, and playing the appropriate tones when asked to insert coins (to test the phone). (please note that the statute of limitations has long since passed on any of the times that i may have done this, even though it probably still works) Posted by: kiwano at September 14, 2006 4:08 PM Yet another old coin-op trick, although this one's a little more on the evil side... A quantity of salt water squirted down the coin slot of some older soda machines would short the system out and cause it to empty all of its change into the coin return. Many a bus ride paid for in soggy nickels back in the bad ol' days... Posted by: K. Signal Eingang at September 14, 2006 4:42 PM hehe, I remember some paid copiers back at school.. they were so very proud to introduce magnetic stripe cards for all payments (copiers, cafeteria, some secretary fees), and the tech guy who installed the card readers on the copiers boasted that the cards are impossible to manipulate and talked a bit about checksums and encryption and blah.. but the company who designed the system made two mistakes: the card readers on the various machines are unable to talk to each other, and they only keep a minimal transaction record (a day or two for tracking down mis-billings). Posted by: Woo at September 14, 2006 6:39 PM In the late 60's, we used to push a 6"x1/2" stiff piece of paper down the dime slot of a pay phone. Depositing a penny in the nickle slot would then register as a dime. Oh, pay phone calls cost only ten cents. Posted by: twf at September 14, 2006 7:20 PM when i was a wee lad, i could scotch-tape dental floss to the side of a quarter and... Posted by: another_bruce at September 15, 2006 1:10 AM Wow. I always like to learn from my elders, but I never remember a nickel being worth a damn. I think my generation is the last one to really know the glory of hoarding quarters for the arcade. Posted by: Anonymous at September 15, 2006 10:46 AM Hmmm......, What about the glory of hoarding quarters so that you could actually dry your underwear? I found it actually cost less to drive an hour to my grandmother's house and do my laundry there--and that is before one calculates in the other benefits of doing so. None of the above compared to the case of people making collect calls to a payphone in Columbia in my opinion though. Posted by: RvnPhnx at September 15, 2006 1:02 PM @Anonymous "I never remember a nickel being worth a dam" The expression "not worth a dam" actually refered to a small Indian coin (the Dam) that was of very very little worth. So even with todays very weak USD a nickel is still likley to be worth several dams ;) However you might find the following amusing, Posted by: Clive Robinson at September 15, 2006 9:13 PM Post a comment
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